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Crazy shi*t people say about Covid and vaccines

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zafferana · 11/02/2022 13:46

Tradesman comes to my house once a year and I've got to know him moderately well over the years as we always chat about holidays and our kids and stuff like that. Yesterday though I told him we're going away at half term and he told me the following:

*he knows a bloke who works for AstraZeneca who told him that he'd never get the vaccine and that he shouldn't either and that anyone who did was mad;

*he also knows someone who can get him an NHS vaccine pass for £500 and if he gets desperate enough for a holiday that's what he's going to do;

*he thinks it's very suspicious that the govt were encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and wonders why they did that;

*that he had a bad flu in December and was in bed for 10 days with it, but he didn't lose his taste and smell and never had a cough, so it definitely wasn't Covid, but he didn't test, because it was flu and he's had flu before, so he knows what it feels like and that's definitely what it was;

*that he's hoping that next year all the restrictions around the un-vaccinated will be lifted as he's pinning his hopes on finally being able to go skiing again in 2023.

This is a guy who LOVES to go skiing with his mates, who told me about a miserable UK glamping holiday he and his family had in the pouring rain last summer and how shit it was, yet he's prepared to keep doing that rather than get vaccinated. I wished him good luck. He asked me not to tell him about any holidays I'm going on 🤣🤣🤣

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ollyollyoxenfree · 12/02/2022 21:37

Never has there seemingly been a vaccine/medication soooo safe. That alone makes it unbelievable. Especially when paracetamol comes with risks and side effects. And we give that to babies.

Who has said this @Whatwouldscullydo?

The risks & benefits of vaccination for various demographic groups have been widely communicated. It has always been the case that the messaging has been, it is safer to be vaccinated than not be vaccinated. No intervention is 100% risk free.

There's a great deal of research aimed at understanding the prevalence & mechanism of various side effects, I don't understand how posters are still trying to claim it's all being ignored.

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/02/2022 21:43

You seriously haven't seen the umpteen pile ons and requests for threads to be pulled because the op was talking about side effects they'd suffered ?

Never seen anything like it. You cant say anything even remotely negative even when its happened to them. And even when somewhere discloses their dr advised against it for reasons that are none of anyones business there's no shortage of posters claiming they must be lying, how the list of medical exemptions is tiny amd just like lockdown rules completely manufacturing their own and berating any one who doesn't follow them

marlowe5 · 12/02/2022 21:47

I have been on a remarkable number of taxj rides all across the country for work In the last sixth months where drivers have told me all sorts of nonsense about vaccines. It seems that there are a high number of taxi drivers who are anti.

ollyollyoxenfree · 12/02/2022 21:54

@Whatwouldscullydo

You seriously haven't seen the umpteen pile ons and requests for threads to be pulled because the op was talking about side effects they'd suffered ?

Never seen anything like it. You cant say anything even remotely negative even when its happened to them. And even when somewhere discloses their dr advised against it for reasons that are none of anyones business there's no shortage of posters claiming they must be lying, how the list of medical exemptions is tiny amd just like lockdown rules completely manufacturing their own and berating any one who doesn't follow them

Genuinely, where?

I have see huge amounts of threads & posts of people posting about side effects. There's quite a few on this thread, for example. Haven't seen any deleted based on this.

Talking about your side effects, asking questions or saying you don't want to be vaccinated is not the same thing as making fake claims about vaccine safety or effectiveness. These are the kind of threads/posts that do (sometimes) get deleted.

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/02/2022 22:20

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4451364-Here-we-go-again-menstrual-cycle-disruption-after-booster

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4431067-Has-the-booster-impacted-your-period?pg=3

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4429602-Dealing-with-Im-not-having-the-vaccine-because-my-friend-had-it-and-said-his-dick-fell-off-and-other-stories?pg=2

Here are some examples if threads where problems.were minimised and fuck it if it affects women this way cos all that matters is getting vaccinated. And absolute dismissal and refusal to believe vaccine damage exists and has happened to some people.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/02/2022 23:21

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Whatwouldscullydo · 12/02/2022 23:27

I fully agree with that!

There's no longer term.data that's a fact. It could be 20/30 years if not more than we know. Which is why I understand why consenting adults is one thing but kids is another.

2boysand1princess · 12/02/2022 23:36

[quote Helloninjas]@LaQuern

Pericarditis - my mil. Collapsed after each jab and was told it was anxiety. After her booster called for an ambulance and saw a cardiologist in hospital. Ongoing investigations but still having days of weakness.

My brother -allergic reaction that started around the injection site, looked like the beginnings of impetigo. The rash then covered his whole torso and face. After that swelling of his throat and tongue and weirdly his ears started. Turned away from GP and A&E and told couldn’t possibly be a reaction to the vaccine. Eventually saw a GP, prescribed steroids, antihistamine and antibiotics as the initial rash was infected. In his words “paint me green and call me shrek” he was so swollen.

Sil, who is 20. Periods always normal. After her second jab her period were so heavy for two months so bad she was fainting. All back to normal now.

All had previously had mild covid.[/quote]
I know lots who have had vaccines and not even one person sustained an injury due.
As for periods, after having my second covid vaccine (Pfizer) my periods started even though I wasn’t due to start. Same happened for my sister for both her vaccines. However, I’ve had covid three times and each time it affected my cycle despite have no other symptoms. First time I caught covid was before vaccines and other 2 were after 2 doses of the vaccine.
My colleague (26 years old) developed heart inflammation after covid and is fine now (been 6 months) he was unvaccinated, however there is a chance that as his body responded that way to the virus, perhaps he could’ve developed the same heart issue with the vaccine too? Who knows?

1Week · 12/02/2022 23:50

I've had menstrual disruption too, post vaccination. It settled fairly quickly each time.
I believe there is now research being conducted - that's good. We need to know the mechanism involved,it's probably something minor and short lived. Even if it's not, it's OK for me, late 30s, childbearing done.

My daughter is 12, I won't be getting her the vaccination, because kids don't get covid hard, specially Omicron, the vaccinations don't do much to reduce transmission, and I'm waiting to see the results of the menstrual studies.

Darkwolf · 13/02/2022 00:10

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1dayatatime · 13/02/2022 00:19

The theory that the vaccine may cause heavy menstrual bleeding and absence of menstruation.

Absolute nonsense of course?

www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/11/eu-investigates-reports-of-menstrual-disorders-after-mrna-covid-shots.html

1Week · 13/02/2022 00:26

One thing I really hate is the conflation of anti - mandaters with anti- vaxxers.
Two different positions.
Anyone who conflates the two is either stupid or manipulative.

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Flaxmeadow · 13/02/2022 01:08

The doctor who went on sky with the health secretary would be labelled an " anti vaxxer " by many on here which translates to anyone who hasn't had the vaccine according to many.

He was photographed in a pub, grinning his head off, with his arms around a whole gang of antivaxxers including Laurence Fox. So yeah, I'd label him an antvaxxer

Dishh · 13/02/2022 03:03

@Whatwouldscullydo

The field of medicine is littered witg things discovered by accident. In fact didn't a mistake in the roll out lead to the discovery tht you cluld wait longer between does than originally thought?

Originally the vaccine was 2 doses wasn't it? If they themselves had so much faith in it and trusted the science as opposed to continuing regular monitoring the waning the vaccine for 10 weeks requiring a subsequent booster would never have been picked up.

Have there been gazillion bat shit ideas throughout history to present day yes. Does that mean we shouldn't ever have questions and have blind trust in healthcare etc with no questions ever? Absolutely not!

You're not making much sense with this post. What do you want, exactly? Monitoring or not? Of course scientists track vaccine data via a number of independent studies around the world; to not do so would be unthinkable.

1dayatatime · 13/02/2022 08:21

The divine message that "we need to follow the science ", without recognising that scientific advice changes and that there are different scientific views. For example to begin with the scientific view that Covid was not airborne or using anti bacterial hand gel to combat a virus.

Sadly I feel that as a society we have moved on from the divine right of rule of the Church in the Middle Ages and then the divine right of rule of kings / Queens only for it now to be replaced by the divine rule of "experts".

Dishh · 13/02/2022 08:58

@1dayatatime

The divine message that "we need to follow the science ", without recognising that scientific advice changes and that there are different scientific views. For example to begin with the scientific view that Covid was not airborne or using anti bacterial hand gel to combat a virus.

Sadly I feel that as a society we have moved on from the divine right of rule of the Church in the Middle Ages and then the divine right of rule of kings / Queens only for it now to be replaced by the divine rule of "experts".

I see don't understand science, then.
Dishh · 13/02/2022 08:58

*you

1dayatatime · 13/02/2022 10:22

@Dishh

I see you don't understand science, then.

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Way too simplistic a view which just underlines my point.

Science is great, science has made life better for populations across the centuries as well as sometimes worse such as development of new weapons, science progresses by being challenged and questioned and improved upon, science is constantly evolving and that is a good thing.

BUT there never is just one scientific view that stays constant. Even our understanding of basic stuff like the earth's magnetic field changes and improves.

In the Middle Ages the majority of the population believed that the word of the Church was the word of G-d and that this was the only truth. Those more enlightened who sought to challenge or question this view such as Martin Luther were denounced as heretics. Similarly a view 12 months ago the view that the vaccine won't prevent you from catching Covid would have been denounced as anti vaxxer. Likewise there is new evidence coming out that the lockdown measures and restrictions were fairly ineffective at preventing the spread of the virus. New evidence becomes available and what we know or believe in changes.

In short science evolves, scientific beliefs change , good scientists welcome challenge and what is a majority of scientific opinion today can easily change on new evidence.

To dismiss my post as not understanding of science in itself demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of science and how it evolves.

OliveTree75 · 13/02/2022 10:34

A very vocal parent at work doesn’t believe in Covid and says it’s made up. Also won’t test her kids as she thinks the swabs are covered chemicals that give you cancer

MissConductUS · 13/02/2022 10:36

@1Week

I've had menstrual disruption too, post vaccination. It settled fairly quickly each time. I believe there is now research being conducted - that's good. We need to know the mechanism involved,it's probably something minor and short lived. Even if it's not, it's OK for me, late 30s, childbearing done.

My daughter is 12, I won't be getting her the vaccination, because kids don't get covid hard, specially Omicron, the vaccinations don't do much to reduce transmission, and I'm waiting to see the results of the menstrual studies.

The research was published in January. You're right, the effects are mild and transitory.

COVID vaccines may briefly change your menstrual cycle, but you should still get one

A new scientific study shows that vaccination can cause changes to the timing of menstruation. But it also shows the effects are temporary, more akin to a sore arm than a serious adverse event.

"I think it's reassuring and also validating," says Dr. Alison Edelman, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, Ore. who led the study.

The work appeared Thursday in the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology. Edelman and other experts stress that individuals should get vaccinated, because the risks from COVID-19 remain high.

Clinical trials for the COVID vaccines looked for side-effects like headaches or fever, but when it came to reproductive health, the main focus was on pregnancy, not menstruation.

"The menstrual cycle is like the stepsister that gets ignored," Edelman says. "It's considered unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but it actually really is important to people day-to-day."

And many people did notice changes to their menstrual cycles. A survey conducted by anthropologists found numerous reports of unusually heavy flows and even breakthrough bleeding among some people who hadn't menstruated in years.

Anti-vaccine activists capitalized on other anecdotal reports from social media–using them to make unfounded claims that the vaccines were being used to spread infertility and ultimately depopulate the earth.

Researchers take a closer look at menstruation
Clinical trials and other studies have already established the vaccines are safe and effective for pregnant women, but the rumors that surrounded menstruation made the National Institutes of Health decide to take a closer look.

"There was a need to be able to counsel women on what to expect," says Dr. Diana Bianchi, director of the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, which funded the work.

Edelman's team took data from a popular app known as "Natural Cycles," which people can use to track their menstrual cycles. Looking at data from 3,959 individuals, they were able to see a small shift in the time between bleeding.

"We see a less-than-one-day change in their menstrual cycle length with vaccination," Edelman says.

In other words, people who were vaccinated experienced — on average — a slightly longer menstrual cycle around the time of their first and second doses.

"It's really nothing to get alarmed about," Bianchi says. Nevertheless, she adds, it does prove that the vaccines are affecting menstruation independently of other possible factors such as pandemic stress.

"I think the beauty of the study is that it does affirm what individuals were reporting," she says.

The immune and reproductive systems are linked
Researchers still aren't exactly sure why the changes occur. Edelman says the immune system and the reproductive system are linked, and some signaling immune cells also can affect the body's natural clock. Given that relationship, it's entirely possible that triggering the immune system through vaccination might change a person's cycles. But whatever's happening seems to be short-lived.

"We haven't seen anything that's concerning regarding fertility or pregnancy in terms of vaccination," she says. Moreover, she says, COVID-19 itself can have a profound effect on health.

Vaccinating During Pregnancy Has Become Even More Urgent As ICU Beds Fill Up

"The risk of COVID-19 disease in pregnant women is incredibly serious," said Edelman, who has watched pregnant women end up in intensive care because they're not vaccinated.

Bianchi says that the NIH should have more data on how vaccines alter menstruation in the near future. Last summer, the agency funded five studies including Edelman's work, and the results of the other researchers should provide more data. Bianchi hopes that the additional research can look at a more diverse population than those that use the app, and also start to nail down other reported side-effects, including heavy periods and breakthrough bleeding.

Ultimately, Edelman thinks changes to menstruation probably should be added as a possible minor side-effect of the vaccines, along with headaches and sore arms.

"I think because it rises to a level of importance to the public," she says, "it's something that should be included."

Helloninjas · 13/02/2022 10:43

@2boysand1princess I’m not saying that loads of people have had bad reactions, but I do understand people being wary. I know probably a hundred people through work, schools and family and these are the only bad reactions I have heard of. But, they are in my close family so they felt safe to tell me. My brother and my mil have tried to talk about it with people and got eye rolls and “oh well could have been worse if you’d had covid” despite all of them having had mild covid previously.

My mil is the most boring person ever (sorry mil) so is so far from an antivax nutter you could imagine, but she’s been treated like she is when she’s discussed it. My brothers a builder and fairly macho and his response was “I don’t want to go there” about talking about why he was off work with his colleagues as he thought they would take the piss. It’s a taboo topic. Just look at the mocking replies I had here.

I’ve never met anyone hospitalised with covid and no no one who’s died of it. I don’t post under people’s posts describing their losses with “well I don’t know anyone who’s got seriously ill so you must be lying” I accept that it’s a serious illness that’s caused a lot of misery.
Sil has been very open because a few girls in her friendship group had period issues. She also has to be open as she was under pressure to get boosted to go on holiday over half term and she told people her reasons she couldn’t get her flight.

Itsnotover · 13/02/2022 10:46

And many people did notice changes to their menstrual cycles. A survey conducted by anthropologists found numerous reports of unusually heavy flows and even breakthrough bleeding among some people who hadn't menstruated in years.

But Covid itself affects people that way too!

1Week · 13/02/2022 12:10

MissConductUS
That article says nothing.
It is just saying yes, it's happening, we're not sure why but its probably grand, trust us.

When the research into the mechanism is released, I'll reassess.

My personal disruptions were definitely worse than a day late - I'm going to assume my daughter has a genetically similar reproductive system and sensitivities to mine. She has had Omicron and had very mild symptoms.

I'll think again when the next wave comes, hopefully the menstrual research will have delivered answers, and the vaccine tweaked if necessary to be less disruptive against the menstrual system and more effective against the next variant.

I think that's a sensible enough position.