Anyone want a perpetual lockdown

[beentoldcomputersaysno]

I often see posters accused of wanting continual lockdowns, despite their post not suggesting it. I often assume it's done to deflect or antagonise posters who suggest a health measure(s) to adapt to life post-2019. However, is there anyone who posts on this board that does want perpetual lockdowns?

@TesOignons

I'm severely immunosuppressed, the vaccine don't work for me. I don't want lockdowns at all. I do want pre infection (not post infection) protection like others get from the vaccine. There are drugs available in other countries that work to protect the immunosuppressed but our gov doesn't seem bothered to let us have them. It would avoid hospitalisation and death for my group. In the meantime I do worry about catching covid from my school age child, or from my partner who will be working more outside the home now that restrictions are lifted. I had to give up work due to risk, and can't live in public without a serious risk, especially when self isolation goes in March it will be even worse. I will wear a mask if I am in public and I do feel that people will be more likely to verbally abuse me for that now that restrictions have ended, as I look healthy so will be branded as a hypochondriac or lockdown enthusiast. People call it virtue signalling or nappy wearers, bed wetters, 'you don't need to wear one love, etc'. I just hope the government will let us have the protection we need pre infection and I'll be back to normal life like a shot, although my job has gone.

Thanks for posting your experience. Agree that's shit about drug access. I hope that changes soon.

Where are these drugs available out of interest?

www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/evusheld-long-acting-antibody-combination-retains-neutralising-activity-against-omicron-variant-in-independent-fda-study.html

US, France and Australia (limited use), some other European countries. If you Google it there's a surprisingly good Mail article.

And here:
www.reuters.com/world/us/astrazeneca-says-us-buy-additional-500000-evusheld-doses-2022-01-12/

@TesOignons have govt indicated they may start using them at all? Horrible situation.

Viking** thanks for your understanding. It's commonly believed that everyone fine because of the vaccines and post infection treatment. The treatments haven't been well trialled in our group so not very confident they will work because some immunotherapy blocks other immunotherapies...

The government likes to divide people, and a false narrative that severely vulnerable people want to lock everyone else up is especially hurtful, as we have been living such small lives for 2 years and have lost jobs, friends and mental health too.

I'm like a balloon that's slowly leaking a bit of me every time I've not done the things I used to do.

When restrictions are lifted id like clear messaging to those at risk to stay careful and a transparent declaration that they aren't prepared to fund our treatment if that is their political decision. Rather than making us out to be 'over anxious' idiots. Then at least it can be a matter for public debate rather than a false idea that it's 'tough shit and nothing can be done'.

BeenTold no, they do not answer any communications. There is a shadow minister and one peer and the odd journalist who are aware. I think the gov have other concerns just now and war etc

I mean the post infection treatments haven't been well trialled. The pre infection ones have been.
The post infection roll out in England is also full of hurdles, like the 3rd primary jab was. people are not aware how to get them. GPs not informed, 119 not correct, people told they don't need them as 'mild symptoms' I could go on. You tend to take a keen interest in this stuff when it's life and death.

@TesOignons

Viking** thanks for your understanding. It's commonly believed that everyone fine because of the vaccines and post infection treatment. The treatments haven't been well trialled in our group so not very confident they will work because some immunotherapy blocks other immunotherapies...

The government likes to divide people, and a false narrative that severely vulnerable people want to lock everyone else up is especially hurtful, as we have been living such small lives for 2 years and have lost jobs, friends and mental health too.

I'm like a balloon that's slowly leaking a bit of me every time I've not done the things I used to do.

When restrictions are lifted id like clear messaging to those at risk to stay careful and a transparent declaration that they aren't prepared to fund our treatment if that is their political decision. Rather than making us out to be 'over anxious' idiots. Then at least it can be a matter for public debate rather than a false idea that it's 'tough shit and nothing can be done'.

Yeah that all sounds legit. My experience of the views of people who are vulnerable to covid has, like yours, been that they are not a monolith and there's a variety of views. Like the rest of the population in fact!

I hope we can see more targeted assistance for people who need it, not just in respect of treatment, but with this shower we have in government I'm not holding my breath.

Viking
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'Yeah that all sounds legit. My experience of the views of people who are vulnerable to covid has, like yours, been that they are not a monolith and there's a variety of views. Like the rest of the population in fact!'*

Strange isn't it. Almost like we're just normal people!! It makes me when people say they'll wear a mask around vulnerable people..
I'm thinking 'what's the dress code, do I need a special haircut? How will they know? Wonky blood cells are sooo hard to spot from a distance

Anyway, I'll pipe down now. Back to

does anyone want lockdowns?

Maybe the planet does? It would be much better off without us troublemakers.

No, I don’t want a permanent lockdown.

I’d like employers to give employees the choice to work from home if their job can be done from home — and accept that may mean a pay freeze for a number of years, because that was the trade off I chose to make in order to WFH.

I’d also like the government to provide a supply of masks which work to the most immunocompromised people. Which is why I’ve signed this petition: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/606740

@VikingOnTheFridge

Right. It's useful and positive to have this clarification now. As you don't live in the UK, and you're presumably aware that you're talking to a forum where the majority do, best in future not to assume people are acting in bad faith when they state that a term you only understand to have one meaning actually has had multiple uses where they are.

I had an iffy day yesterday, but the arrogant tone of this really lifted my mood. The implication I cannot participate on this forum as I'm not British is hilarious, as is the idea that should familiarise myself with everything British before I say anything. A general term like 'social distancing' is generally understood throughout the globe. I certainly didn't think I needed to research the topic thoroughly (CDC guidelines, NHS guidelines etc.), but there you go!

It’s the ‘ring fence’ principle again. Let’s ring fence the vulnerable, let’s ring fence this thread to include only UK opinions etc etc.
There is common theme throughout these threads. Individualism v’s collectivism.

Except we get extreme individualists here.

What he has correctly identified is a growing extremist individualism. It is an ideology that claims to be about freedom when really it means selfishness; and it sees any curtailment of its liberties, no matter how justified or temporary, as Stalin sending in the tanks. Last weekend, the chair of the Tory 1922 backbench committee, Graham Brady, claimed that face masks were really about social control. Railing at voters for meekly accepting a measure designed to reduce the spread of infection, he accused them of suffering from Stockholm syndrome. “The line between coercion and care becomes blurred, the hostage starts to see the man with the AK-47 who holds him in a cell not as a jailer but as a protector.”

Selfishness is hardly a new characteristic of our politics. But what is striking today is how the politicians and commentators using it sneer at those who stand in their way. There is a cruelty to this politics that is breathtaking. The rightwing commentator Douglas Murray complained in the Sun on Sunday of Britons’ “terrible fearfulness”. He didn’t trace this to the fact that the country is mourning more than 150,000 Covid deaths.

A new study of 51 countries across the world shows how people in individualistic countries — many of which are wealthy Western nations — also are the least interested in public health measures to protect them.

People living in places that value individualism also had diminished interest in getting vaccinated and less agreement with the idea that they should personally take action to stop the spread in their communities.

@Emergency73 v interesting points.

Yes

@PandorasBex

*@VikingOnTheFridge*

Right. It's useful and positive to have this clarification now. As you don't live in the UK, and you're presumably aware that you're talking to a forum where the majority do, best in future not to assume people are acting in bad faith when they state that a term you only understand to have one meaning actually has had multiple uses where they are.

I had an iffy day yesterday, but the arrogant tone of this really lifted my mood. The implication I cannot participate on this forum as I'm not British is hilarious, as is the idea that should familiarise myself with everything British before I say anything. A general term like 'social distancing' is generally understood throughout the globe. I certainly didn't think I needed to research the topic thoroughly (CDC guidelines, NHS guidelines etc.), but there you go!

It's amusing you think you can talk about arrogant tones.

Knowing full well you live in a different society to most of the people you were talking to, you decided the only definition of a particular term must be the one used in your society, and couldn't even be arsed to spend a few moments checking before wading in and accusing people of being in bad faith because you couldn't possibly consider that your understanding of a word might not be universal amongst humanity. The absolute kindest interpretation of that was that it genuinely represented what you think, and that it was arrogant and not very smart.

@VikingOnTheFridge

Knowing full well you live in a different society to most of the people you were talking to, you decided the only definition of a particular term must be the one used in your society, and couldn't even be arsed to spend a few moments checking before wading in and accusing people of being in bad faith because you couldn't possibly consider that your understanding of a word might not be universal amongst humanity. The absolute kindest interpretation of that was that it genuinely represented what you think, and that it was arrogant and not very smart.

I didn't do any of those things. I certainly didn't accuse anyone of being in bad faith and never have - I'm not sure where you've got that from. It is okay for me - and other people not from the UK - to participate in these forums without knowing the full ins-and-outs of how UK society works, and I'd hope we wouldn't be attacked and picked apart for doing so. If you don't like it, take it up with MNHQ.

I know the people are selfish line is pushed by some fairly often but it ignores the real hardship many went through over the two years.

[quote PandorasBex]@VikingOnTheFridge

Knowing full well you live in a different society to most of the people you were talking to, you decided the only definition of a particular term must be the one used in your society, and couldn't even be arsed to spend a few moments checking before wading in and accusing people of being in bad faith because you couldn't possibly consider that your understanding of a word might not be universal amongst humanity. The absolute kindest interpretation of that was that it genuinely represented what you think, and that it was arrogant and not very smart.

I didn't do any of those things. I certainly didn't accuse anyone of being in bad faith and never have - I'm not sure where you've got that from. It is okay for me - and other people not from the UK - to participate in these forums without knowing the full ins-and-outs of how UK society works, and I'd hope we wouldn't be attacked and picked apart for doing so. If you don't like it, take it up with MNHQ.[/quote]
Oh please, you accused me and others of being vexatious. That was your word. You said we weren't asking because we genuinely wanted to know what you meant, only nit picking.

And so you won't rebrand this as an attack on people who aren't from or in the UK not participating. This is a you problem and a you behaviour. As demonstrated by the fact that there are at least two others on this thread who either aren't from the UK originally or don't live here now, who haven't behaved like you have.

This issue was entirely created by your arrogance and that's what's dragging it out now.

I know the people are selfish line is pushed by some fairly often but it ignores the real hardship many went through over the two years.

These people couldn't give a flying. They really couldn't. It interferes with their cosy little narrative, so they just brush it under the carpet over and over.

@VikingOnTheFridge

Oh please, you accused me and others of being vexatious. That was your word. You said we weren't asking because we genuinely wanted to know what you meant, only nit picking.

That's not the same of accusing others of "acting in bad faith" - I didn't, thanks. I did say vexatious, as one particular poster was. I couldn't say anything without my words being twisted about by her, and yes, picked apart. It may be those posters who are also not from the UK on this thread are closer to you on the political spectrum and so, not so targeted?

As for "behave this way", I'm not your child.

[quote PandorasBex]@VikingOnTheFridge

Oh please, you accused me and others of being vexatious. That was your word. You said we weren't asking because we genuinely wanted to know what you meant, only nit picking.

That's not the same of accusing others of "acting in bad faith" - I didn't, thanks. I did say vexatious, as one particular poster was. I couldn't say anything without my words being twisted about by her, and yes, picked apart. It may be those posters who are also not from the UK on this thread are closer to you on the political spectrum and so, not so targeted?

As for "behave this way", I'm not your child.[/quote]
Right, we'll use terms other than acting in bad faith then, for the avoidance of doubt. Let's stick only to the words you used, so there can't be any denial.

You said that people wanting to know what you meant by using a term that in fact has multiple, very different definitions were nit picking. This was based on the grossly arrogant assumption that the definition you're familiar with is the only one in existence, that people in another society couldn't possibly use a word differently to you, and wouldn't have happened if you'd done a few checks or even bothered to ask. That's how low the bar was.

For this reason, you accusing anyone else of arrogance is a glass house with stones situation.