Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

[Whydidimarryhim]

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

And what are your views on the excess deaths overall during the pandemic, both in the UK and worldwide?

Is that misleading? What about if someone had asthma or diabetes. They had an underlying condition but could have lived another 20/30/40 years?

Just because someone has underlying health conditions doesn’t mean they are at deaths door.

Just because someone has underlying health conditions doesn’t make their life any less important.

Why are some people so quick to try to minimise the losses like this? Do we have some sort of hierarchy of lives that matter?

There’s no doubt that co-morbidity makes people more likely to die from covid. We’ve known that all along. Some of the excess deaths will also be from people being unable to access health care for other conditions.
The big moral question is how long do those who are unlikely to die from it restrict their lifestyles to try protect the vulnerable?

Didn't you post this yesterday and MN deleted the thread due to it being misleading?

I don’t think there’s an easy answer.

It's totally misleading, most people with diabetes can keep it under control and live pretty normal length lives, but covid effects them very badly. Many diabetics will have lost decades of meaningful years, but those are totally irrelevant in an assessment of covid which discounts 'underlying conditions' - which are a massive range of things, diabetes is just one example.

Be careful OP the bloodhounds will come along soon.

@Sirzy 100% agree.

It’s very different if someone with terminal cancer catches covid last few weeks and the death gets written down as covid - that happened to someone I know and I consider it wrong.

So what?

It’s not been widely reported because it’s pointlessly selective information.

It’s hardly surprising that a disease that hits older people harder intersects with other conditions that older people are likely to also have.

Older people, and people with other comorbidities, don’t operate in isolation within our society. They’re our parents and grandparents, our husbands and our sisters. Our friends and colleagues. Shutting away ‘the vulnerable’ (god how I hate that term) wasn’t and has never been practical or helpful.

(For clarity: I know that covid doesn’t only impact older people. But its more serious outcomes massively skew towards the over-65s.)

My step-aunt-in-law (is that even a thing) died last year because she caught covid and it fucked her about because she also had RA and a heart problem, appalling smoker’s lungs, and was obese. She was 62.

Does she not matter to you, because she didn’t die solely of covid?

John Campbell has made some excellent videos, and also some pointless ones that omit bigger parts of the picture to his and his viewers’ detriment. This was one of those.

Are the people posting these threads swept up in some kind of Aryan fascist wet dream of a society made up only of wholesome, hearty ubermensch vs sallow parasites who are clinging onto life by a fingernail?

I agree with pp's.

Can you put a link to the source?

What's your point OP? That people with underlying conditions don't matter? We have known all along of the greater risk to people with certain conditions.

There was a similar post yesterday.

I have underlying health issues. I am in my late 30s but have had a transplant and so am heavily immunosuppressed.

If I caught covid it could lead to a catalogue of issues for me that may mean death. But I am otherwise healthy and would expect to live another 40+ years on my current treatment plan.

I am not a rampant covid mask wearing stickler for everyone obeying every rule. I get that there is fatigue with it all. I manage my risk myself but let's not be so quick to be dismissive.

You are so right op those other deserved to die... that 29 yr old that was on anti depresents at 25 so doesnt count as depression is an underlying condition so prob would have died anyway right.
The 40 yr old with excema thank go covid got her horrible skin condition that healthy people should have to see.
60 yr old who has been so well since he recovered from childhood cancer. Fuck him he should of died as a child and not wasted NHS resouces so he had 50 extra years it was about time he died.
That person who has reacuring sinisitus totally disposible after how many people really have underlying conditions 🙄

It amazing that such a high number of people died that have had no other medical conditions. I didnt realise so many people had never had any tupe of illness. I recon covid must of took a high percentage of people that had never been ill. Now all you perfectly healthy people should be really worried as there cant be many of you left?

Is this going to be a daily post. I have hypertension, DH has a heart condition, DS2 has asthma, would still rather not die, thanks very much.

And your point is?

I think it hasn't been on the news because... it isn't news?

We've known this for ages, since very early on in the pandemic. It's always been clear that for the young and healthy it's mostly a minor illness. There is no conspiracy.

I understand, if you've only just discovered this it must be quite shocking information, but you really should have paid more attention early on!

What a ridiculous misinterpretation of statistics! From the very start it has been clear that the vast majority of covid deaths are in those with underlying conditions - that doesn't mean that those deaths would have happened anyway!
By the age of 70, 90% of people are living with at least 1 chronic condition - so no wonder that the deaths in people without chronic conditions are so low - it's not rocket science that young healthy people are not likely to die from covid.

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

Are the people posting these threads swept up in some kind of Aryan fascist wet dream of a society made up only of wholesome, hearty ubermensch vs sallow parasites who are clinging onto life by a fingernail?

So much this!

This has been known from the start op. It's not new. From the start many have made clear they don't care about lives like mine. Lives that still should have many years, thank you very much.

All these threads saying I'm done with covid? I'm done with ableism around covid. Really, really done.

To be honest, it's worrying that Covid took so many people who fell into the minority (yes, minority) of the population who didn't have one of the large number of underlying conditions on the list. Such as asthma, diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure. Which other respiratory viruses have killed so many people without these conditions in the UK within that time frame? I'm keen to know.

I’m going to make very sure my DD’s education includes a brief overview of statistics and critical thinking.

The ‘so what’ is that we have applied a blanket approach, meaning people who were never ever at risk of dying have had 2 years of restrictions on their lives and coercion into a medical treatment they don’t need.

You might think it’s unfair to say that vulnerable people would therefore be marginalised, but there are multiple answers to that. Firstly, many people who are vulnerable are because of lifestyle (obesity) so to be less marginalised, they could lose weight. Other aspects to this are, it’s not my fault you are more vulnerable to the disease and it gains nothing by limiting us both, it is the same for most diseases. There are people vulnerable to specific diseases. It’s just life, I’m not saying it’s fair but whoever said life was fair?

I have an underlying condition but I'm not at risk of death from it unless I get Covid.

While the majority of the population are free to go back to normal, and I'm very happy for them, I am still having to be very careful. Fortunately my family, friends and colleagues are all considerate about it.

Not sure I have much time for that Campbell bloke anyway.

I don’t know how accurate this is but on the back of this a stat has been produced that the average life lost is 7 weeks.

Significant to know