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Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

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Whydidimarryhim · 22/01/2022 08:21

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

OP posts:
RosesAndHellebores · 22/01/2022 10:55

It's a very difficult subject to debate objectively whilst we are still emerging from the pandemic.

There was, in my opinion, too little emphasis on the tiny number of deaths compared to the overall population and the fact that the majority of the population have not had covid. The impact on society overall cannot yet be quantified and is likely to be disproportionate to the lock downs and covid.

There will also be a storm to come over the NHS. We, the public, had our liberties curtailed and willingly locked down to support the NHS. Sadly, the NHS had not yet thanked the public but continues to complain about its own difficulties and staff issues with stress. There is no cognizance within the institution about the impact of others: job and business losses, social regression for young children, impact on MH, or the fact that NHS front line workers carried on going to work and mixing with colleagues and continuing with routine and normality.

Sadly many NHS services are still locked down. My dd's mental health team is still reviewing via phone calls so the staff cannot see how a vulnerable patient truly is: washing, weight, etc.

Further and overall, the NHS did not lock out quickly or effectively when it could. It is likely to become a far bigger scandal than Covid in a decade or three.

LethargicActress · 22/01/2022 10:55

@OperationRinka

I agree that the NHS is seriously underfunded. But all the European countries with well-funded healthcare systems also felt the need to lockdown or implement serious restriction. A well-funded NHS would not have meant we could have stayed open.
I agree we couldn’t have stayed completely open and carried on as normal, but if the NHS had more capacity we might not have needed to lockdown quite as severely as we did the first time round. It could have been more like the second lockdown where schools at least were open for all children mostly as normal.

A better funded NHS would also have been in a position to support all the mental health conditions that came out of severe lockdown, and some of those could have been prevented in the first place if the lockdowns hadn’t been so harsh.

We need true statistics showing how many people were damaged as a direct result of covid compared to how many people were damaged as a direct result of lockdown, including deaths from both.

Porcupineintherough · 22/01/2022 10:58

@Comedycook

If we locked down to protect the NHS then please explain why in spring/summer 2020 when cases were low, my children still weren't allowed to go to school?
Cases werent low in spring 2020 for a start. Summer 2020 was when schools started to go back. Less was known about the virus and its seasonal effects then, so I guess there was worry that if they opened schools it would start the numbers climbing (which is exactly what happened in autumn).

I think we forget how little was known about the virus in those early days. There was a time that it was thought that children didnt really catch COVID and werent able to spread it, remember that?

Oh and it was t just your children who didnt go to school, it was the same for most of us.

DavidWilkinson · 22/01/2022 11:00

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ToooutThere · 22/01/2022 11:00

@Twinstudy

Why would it be in the news? It's not news. We've always known that people with underlying conditions were much more likely to die from covid. Why did you think some people were shielding? Have you really missed this over the past two years?
You're right this doesn't necessarily belong in MSM, but it does belong in the info leaflet which was put through my letter box at the start of rolling out the vaccines and should also have been emphasised by the govt when providing information to the public about the need for vaccination.

They did have this data by the time they had the vaccines available. Had we know about this and seen the actual figures, a lot of us I would have not gone for the vaccine.

We were not offered the chance to give informed consent as far as I can see.

jumpbounce · 22/01/2022 11:00

The underlying health conditions can be anything at all listed in the person's medical record as an underlying health condition. I doubt there's too many people in the country who don't have something listed in that section that can be completely minor and not at all related to a respiratory disease. I have a fee underlying gynae issues, they are underlying health conditions but have no impact on my lifespan or fitness whatsoever. If I died of covid I wouldn't be a young healthy death despite being young, healthy, fit and normal bmi etc ....I would be a person who died with underlying health conditions.

AlDanvers · 22/01/2022 11:03

@Comedycook in 2020 numbers started drop fairly close to the school holidays.

Why would they have gone back? Spring 2020 cases were high. We locked down. Numbers dropped so we started opening up and then the summer holidays started.

Some went back before, but most went back in September.

What did you expect to happen? Them to open the summer holidays instead?

So what are you talking about?

Fleurty · 22/01/2022 11:06

I love how some people talk about underlying health conditions like the deaths aren't valid.

I'm type 1 diabetic OP, I'm 34 years old. If I'd died of covid in 2020 would that have mattered to you? Screw the fact that I'm perfectly healthy and should have another 40 years left, as long as you can say there were under 10k deaths that actually mattered.

LethargicActress · 22/01/2022 11:07

Cases might have been high in Spring 2020, but it wasn’t affecting children and yet it’s them that took the hit.

We are still seeing the impact if this on children’s education and we will continue to, probably until long after the pandemic is declared to be over.

It is right to question whether that was really necessary and proportionate.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 22/01/2022 11:08

And a lot of them will indeed be seriously disabled and/or very elderly
@OperationRinka I think this is where the issue is. A lot of the vulnerable are NOT seriously disabled or very elderly. The underlying conditions that are on the list mean the vast majority of people are generally well. High blood pressure is very common. Not everyone who has that or type 1 diabetes is fat, red faced and sedentary. But by portraying them as you have, it minimises the issue.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/01/2022 11:09

@DavidWilkinson

There are plenty of posters spreading misinformation implying someone with " depression" for eg is counted as an underlying condition in a similar fashion to someone who is overweight rather than actually obese. An individual with a BMI of 27 who is on anti depressants does not classify as having " underlying conditions " for the purpose of covid deaths.

The reality is the vast majority of covid deaths are people who have covid with a myriad of severe health issues near the end of their lives regardless of the covid infection which is why the average age of death is 83. For anyone to suggest a person in their 80s suffering other ailments that is likely to mean regardless of covid their life is sadly likely to be very limited being comparable to a 45 year old dropping dead of covid is disingenuous in itself.

The ONS measures covid deaths by all deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test which means even those with terminal cancer etc over 80 who die within 28 days of a positive test for a virus millions have will be classified as " death from covid".

In relation to @JesusInTheCabbageVan regarding excess mortality figures, most deaths are now recognised as " non covid" which numerous articles will confirm where tens of thousands are dying due to measures taken to tackle covid rather than covid itself

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/11/24/over-30000-non-coivd-19-extra-deaths-at-home-in-england-and-wales-since-march/

The conservatives have shown blatant hypocrisy with their parties etc, but Id rather a tory government standing firm against the hysteria surrounding what is now a very mild virus for the vast majority resisting more draconian horror " rules " being brought in. The other home nations seem to be following suit and eventually I expect the world to follow common sense apart from communist countries which have always had a firm grip of their civilians.

Pretty sure this is misinformation, particularly the claim that most excess deaths were non Covid.
JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/01/2022 11:10

Oops, meant to report rather than quote GrinBlush Reported now.

AlDanvers · 22/01/2022 11:11

We were not offered the chance to give informed consent as far as I can see.

Yes we were. We knew older and people with health issues were more at risk.

If you ever had a Mental health issue and died of covid, you aren't in these numbers.

Vaccinations are to protect yourself AND others. That's always been made clear.

Andouillette · 22/01/2022 11:13

@Twinstudy

Why would it be in the news? It's not news. We've always known that people with underlying conditions were much more likely to die from covid. Why did you think some people were shielding? Have you really missed this over the past two years?
Also worth noting; his Phd is in nurse training. Not very relevent really, is it? This thread (or a few of the people in it, for accuracy) is disgusting. What are you, you people playing with statistics -or more charitably just plain misunderstanding them, the bloody master race? These are some of the most selfish posts I have had the misfortune to read anywhere. Vulnerable people have been forced to shield for months at a time and I, for one am happy to make extra efforts to try and keep them safe. Who is expendable? My husband, type 2 diabetic for 30 years, my lovely son in law who has to take immune supressing drugs, my friend who has had organ transplants, another friend's husband who was diagnosed with cancer a year ago? He probably doesn't have long but why should he die even sooner to suit your selfish outlook?Why is their worth less than yours? Give your heads a major wobble and stop believing any old crap you see on Youtube or read on Facebook.
JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/01/2022 11:13

Also, re this:

The ONS measures covid deaths by all deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test which means even those with terminal cancer etc over 80 who die within 28 days of a positive test for a virus millions have will be classified as " death from covid".

You conveniently forgot to mention that the number of people who had Vivid listed as a contributory factor on their death certificate is actually HIGHER than the number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test.

DavidWilkinson · 22/01/2022 11:14

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AlDanvers · 22/01/2022 11:14

@LethargicActress

Cases might have been high in Spring 2020, but it wasn’t affecting children and yet it’s them that took the hit.

We are still seeing the impact if this on children’s education and we will continue to, probably until long after the pandemic is declared to be over.

It is right to question whether that was really necessary and proportionate.

It was making kids sick. Did your child end up with breathing problems and need an ambulance at any point? My son did. So let's nor pretend it wasn't impacting kids.

And kids live with adults. Again, schos weren't closed because of the risk to kids.

They were closed because it would increase how many cases there were. Which would increase how many people needed medical care........impacting the NHS.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/01/2022 11:14

*Covid, not Vivid. Hmm Two years into a pandemic and my autocorrect still hasn't caught up.

Comedycook · 22/01/2022 11:15

[quote AlDanvers]@Comedycook in 2020 numbers started drop fairly close to the school holidays.

Why would they have gone back? Spring 2020 cases were high. We locked down. Numbers dropped so we started opening up and then the summer holidays started.

Some went back before, but most went back in September.

What did you expect to happen? Them to open the summer holidays instead?

So what are you talking about?[/quote]
No reason at all they couldn't have gone back in may/June. If only to help their mental health.

BeMoreGoldfish · 22/01/2022 11:15

Yes. And. So. What?

What’s your point OP? The pandemic was never about “just” deaths or “just” deaths from Covid alone. A large proportion of the problem was the overwhelming of hospitals which we saw in such desperate detail in Italy. Horrific.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/01/2022 11:15

@DavidWilkinson ooooooOOOOOOooooo Grin

Lilifer · 22/01/2022 11:16

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

And what are your views on the excess deaths overall during the pandemic, both in the UK and worldwide?
Well a huge amount of excess deaths were caused by the lockdown and restrictions for a start 🧐
Flyonawalk · 22/01/2022 11:16

Of course it is important news.

The nation and much of the world has been subject to a campaign of fear, and told that we are all at terrible risk.

This was never true. The average person dying with covid is 81 or 82, ie older than life expectancy. Obviously no one is saying that the death of an old person is not sad. The issue is how much danger was there really for children and young people.

Has it really been calculated that the average covid victim has lost only seven weeks of life? Back in spring 2020 there were actuaries saying it was sixteen weeks. No one credible claimed that this was like Spanish flu, whose average victim was 28 years old.

Information like this was available very early in the pandemic, but mainstream media colluded with the government scare campaign and sadly many people believed it.

treeflowercat · 22/01/2022 11:20

@Whydidimarryhim

Actually that's quite a bit higher than I'd have expected... That scales up to more like 25,000 if you assume a similar pattern in 2021! Shock

That's nearly 25,000 people died who had no underlying conditions actually undermines the notions that anyone who is otherwise fit and healthy is invulnerable...

Thank you for alerting us OP to these disturbing figures. I hope you don't get criticised for scaremongering... we clearly need to be scared!

I was happy to live life normally, but now you've posted these shocking numbers, I think we need to go back to lockdown until we sort this. Scary stuff!

Stay safe OP Daffodil

DavidWilkinson · 22/01/2022 11:20

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