To say get your fucking vaccine (if you can)

[Urthie]

And if you chose not to please don’t give COVID to my red zone working partner.

I’m CEV, I’m positive, I can have only caught it from him - and he works In a red zone where last week 98% of patients were not vaccinated

Sorry for the moan.

[quote Rosscameasdoody]**@PizzaCrust. How is it unkind? It’s the truth. It doesn’t matter one bit who is vaccinated as long as they were packing your shopping and delivering it. Unvaccinated people are the scum of the earth but it’s fine if they're employed to do work that benefits you.

FYI. It was deemed more dangerous for CEV people to shop than to receive home deliveries - the advice was to not make direct contact with the delivery person, leave the packages outside the door for a time and wipe down the bags and any plastic packaging with sanitizer before unpacking. This was official advice and the supermarkets were, and in some cases still are, reserving slots for CEV people.[/quote]
You haven’t told me a single thing I don’t know.

What I am saying, and what you’re failing to grasp, is you cannot come on a thread and say that unvaccinated people are the worst when the reality is

• a lot of unvaccinated people facilitate CV people getting groceries which keeps them safe
• Covid is being passed on just as much from vaccinated people as the unvaccinated

So whether someone’s vaccinated or not has no bearing on you. You think it does, but it doesn’t.

3 out of the 4 of onus in my house are currently positive. I caught it from oh who is vaccinated. He also passed it on to his mum. All of us vaccinated.

The vaccines have done their job (I think) in that none of us are poorly.

The only one of us currently covid free is only just out of the 90 day period of his covid infection and is still within the 12 week period from his vaccine (under 18).

I think we may have to move away from the thought that vaccines mean no transmission (they lessen it) and know that if we ourselves are vaccinated we are doing all we can for our own health.

But I honestly don't see the overwhelming majority of people going several times of year for vaccines. I suspect we may have to get used to the idea it will be offered to people in the vulnerable category for whatever reason in a similar way that the flu vaccine is administered. Especially if it ultimately doesn't stop you catching it.

You haven’t told me a single thing I don’t know.

What I am saying, and what you’re failing to grasp, is you cannot come on a thread and say that unvaccinated people are the worst when the reality is

• a lot of unvaccinated people facilitate CV people getting groceries which keeps them safe
• Covid is being passed on just as much from vaccinated people as the unvaccinated

So whether someone’s vaccinated or not has no bearing on you. You think it does, but it doesn’t.

@Pizzacrust. Whether someone is vaccinated or not has little or no bearing on grocery deliveries if you follow the safety guidelines on taking delivery, and as I stated in my post, the advice was that the risk from going out was higher than that from home deliveries - although I accept that neither is risk free. Other than that I don’t know what to say about your reply. Covid is not being passed on just as much by vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch Covid and pass it on than those who are vaccinated and are more likely to end up in hospital - as we’re seeing now.

@Rosscameasdoody

You haven’t told me a single thing I don’t know.

What I am saying, and what you’re failing to grasp, is you cannot come on a thread and say that unvaccinated people are the worst when the reality is

• a lot of unvaccinated people facilitate CV people getting groceries which keeps them safe
• Covid is being passed on just as much from vaccinated people as the unvaccinated

So whether someone’s vaccinated or not has no bearing on you. You think it does, but it doesn’t.

@Pizzacrust. Whether someone is vaccinated or not has little or no bearing on grocery deliveries if you follow the safety guidelines on taking delivery, and as I stated in my post, the advice was that the risk from going out was higher than that from home deliveries - although I accept that neither is risk free. Other than that I don’t know what to say about your reply. Covid is not being passed on just as much by vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch Covid and pass it on than those who are vaccinated and are more likely to end up in hospital - as we’re seeing now.

It’s still being passed on by vaccinated people, though. As illustrated in this thread. “As much” means very little in the real world as it’s still being transmitted, regardless of vaccination status.

I just don’t think you can demand people get multiple vaccines when it’s still transmitted regardless of vax status, you can still catch Covid regardless of vax status and a new variant emerges every few months which essentially starts the whole booster programme from scratch each time. It’s a huge ask when there is minimal reward for the majority of people.

By all means, if you want the vaccine and feel you need it, go ahead and get as many as you need. If that’s 20 by the end of this, then that’s great for you. I’m not “anti vax” (both my children are fully vaccinated but are too young for the Covid jab), but I just can’t get on board with going every few months for multiple vaccines from different pharmaceutical companies which has been developed in record time for a virus that mutates frequently and it seems the pay offs for the vaccine are minimal. I am happy to wear a mask, test and carry out frequent hand washing, etc, so it’s not as if I just don’t give a fuck.

But of course it gets my back up when every time I come on here there’s yet another angsty thread where everyone labels those who haven’t had a vaccine as selfish twats. Plenty of these people work within the NHS and face losing their jobs soon, plenty work in shops to ensure food is available for everyone to buy and have access to. I think if people saw behind the scenes of some of the large retail chains the last few years, selfish would be the last word you’d be calling the employees when you’d see the challenges they’ve faced.

I am also skeptical of blindly following what “the science” says. Most of the time the science is indeed correct, but the example that springs to my mind is Thalidomide. During testing it seemed impossible to give a lethal dose yet we all know what happened afterwards. It is good to be cautious when new treatments come out.

As more and more research comes out (not Daily Mail articles/Facebook posts as people love to say on here), I am open to changing my mind, as will a lot of people. But the reality is, telling people to “get the fucking vaccine” is a non starter.

’… a country where natural immunity and anti vaxxers have killed millions. Actually, Covid has killed millions.

Where is this?
How does the rolling death rate from Covid compare to the equivalent rates in comparable countries or population groups?

I would like to know.
Anyone?

@PizzaCrust

I just don’t think you can demand people get multiple vaccines when it’s still transmitted regardless of vax status, you can still catch Covid regardless of vax status and a new variant emerges every few months which essentially starts the whole booster programme from scratch each time. It’s a huge ask when there is minimal reward for the majority of people.

Vaccinated people are much less likely to transmit the virus than unvaccinated;

Unvaccinated people spread the virus to an exponentially larger base;

Unvaccinated people carry a larger viral load;

New variants arise in unvaccinated communities;

Maximal vaccination in communities leads to the ultimate reward: ie. the stamping out of a pandemic.

@PizzaCrust

"and it seems the pay offs for the vaccine are minimal". Short memory as to being able to remove nearly all restrictions which I am sure you enjoyed since July, until omicron came along

But you know, carry on believing they've made no difference across the world if it makes you feel better...

I have just read that in one hospital alone all the ICU beds are occupied by non vaxxers . It impinges on healthcare for the rest of us .

I think Canada has the right idea, with a non vaccination tax.

Can you work from home? That might stop the boredom.

I have to say, if someone tells me to get a “fucking” anything, I’m much less likely to do it. Or does the vaxx take away your good manners?

I do hope no-one strangles themselves clutching their pearls...

It wasn't that long ago every thread title in AIBU contained a string of expletives.

@IamGusFring

I have just read that in one hospital alone all the ICU beds are occupied by non vaxxers . It impinges on healthcare for the rest of us .

It turned out this meant 4 patients, with 6 beds empty and 14 non-Covid so really not impinging on you too much.

The situation has now changed and it's no longer all unvaccinated in this ICU.

Look at StatsJamie on Twitter for the actual data rather than the manipulated, out-of-context nonsense in the mainstream press!

@IamGusFring

I have just read that in one hospital alone all the ICU beds are occupied by non vaxxers . It impinges on healthcare for the rest of us .

Look the built Nightingale hospitals because the NHS was likely to collapse under the strain and they never used any of them. Doesn't that tell you anything??

And no, they weren't a PR stunt, they just weren't needed after all because all the figures were far less than they'd modelled.

Look the built Nightingale hospitals because the NHS was likely to collapse under the strain and they never used any of them8. Doesn't that tell you anything?? And no, they weren't a PR stunt, they just weren't needed after all because all the figures were far less than they'd modelled.

Maybe, but that won’t be a comfort to anyone who’s had their cancer treatment delayed because of Covid. For some it’s a death sentence.

@Rosscameasdoody

Look the built Nightingale hospitals because the NHS was likely to collapse under the strain and they never used any of them8. Doesn't that tell you anything?? And no, they weren't a PR stunt, they just weren't needed after all because all the figures were far less than they'd modelled.

Maybe, but that won’t be a comfort to anyone who’s had their cancer treatment delayed because of Covid. For some it’s a death sentence.

If they'd USED the bloody things they wouldn't have had to cancel so many treatments!

We are seeing the repercussions of the vaccine being way over sold early on, and allowing misinformation such as comparisons to smallpox and polio programmes, to persist so long as it fell towards getting vaccinated.

There is no question that the vaccine is a net benefit. It lessens the symptoms in most people, and it does make people less likely to contract and spread.

However...Less likely does not mean unlikely. Even if you are vaccinated, you are still likely to get covid at some point. Given the vaccination rates, if you catch covid, it is likely you caught it from someone who is vaccinated.

@IamGusFring

I have just read that in one hospital alone all the ICU beds are occupied by non vaxxers . It impinges on healthcare for the rest of us .

Don't believe everything the press tells you.

Table 12: Age-standardised rate of acute hospital admissions where an individual had a COVID-19 positive PCR test up
to 14 days prior, on admission, or during their stay in hospital, by week and vaccination status, 11 December 2021 to 07
January 2022

Picture below hopefully and source is www.publichealthscotland.scot/media/11076/22-01-12-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf

@Curiousmouse

I think Canada has the right idea, with a non vaccination tax.

It's pretty doubtful if the courts will uphold that. Or the work related mandates.

Not that the PM will care, so long as it takes so long to get challenged he's achieved his end.

@samyeagar

We are seeing the repercussions of the vaccine being way over sold early on, and allowing misinformation such as comparisons to smallpox and polio programmes, to persist so long as it fell towards getting vaccinated.

There is no question that the vaccine is a net benefit. It lessens the symptoms in most people, and it does make people less likely to contract and spread.

However...Less likely does not mean unlikely. Even if you are vaccinated, you are still likely to get covid at some point. Given the vaccination rates, if you catch covid, it is likely you caught it from someone who is vaccinated.

The way authorities have handled it has been terrible. In an effort to push people to do what they want though manipulating their emotions, they have undermined the confidence of many in their information and also their motives.

It's not just the UK either, in fact in many ways the UK is better than many other places.

@Curiousmouse

I think Canada has the right idea, with a non vaccination tax.

Which will disproportionality affect the poor.

@PizzaCrust i completely agree

all KurtWilde Wed 12-Jan-22 15:05:36
Rosscameasdoody
Look the built Nightingale hospitals because the NHS was likely to collapse under the strain and they never used any of them8. Doesn't that tell you anything?? And no, they weren't a PR stunt, they just weren't needed after all because all the figures were far less than they'd modelled.

Maybe, but that won’t be a comfort to anyone who’s had their cancer treatment delayed because of Covid. For some it’s a death sentence.

If they'd USED the bloody things they wouldn't have had to cancel so many treatments!

I believe they weren’t used because they didn’t have the necessary staffing resources, so it amounts to the same thing.

I believe they weren’t used because they didn’t have the necessary staffing resources, so it amounts to the same thing.

They would've found the staff if they'd needed them, armed forces medics for starters. Please don't think this wasn't doable. It was, they just didn't need it.

Covid is not being passed on just as much by vaccinated people.

What do you mean?

The majority of the population is vaccinated so it absolutely is being caught and transmitted by vaccinated as well as people who are not vaccinated. Just based on sheer numbers. Most people are vaccinated.

@XjustagirlX

I’m vaccinated but I’m my experience it’s the vaccinated who are being more irresponsible with COVID because they feel they are protected now.

In my circle, vaccinated people who are positive not social distancing, not sanitising, refusing to do a test with symptoms, going to work with COVID.

These are vaccinated people. they feel they have already done their bit and are not ill so they feel why should they isolate. It’s shocking.

This.

The people I know who have been vaxxed are now going out with no masks, not bothering with hand washing/sanitising etc and shaking hands in business meetings in a kind of “phew we’re all back to normal” mindset.

I’m unvaxxed by choice after reading all of the available evidence and talking to people in the know (gov jobs) who have also decided not to be vaxxed or to vax their children. I still wash my hands every time I come into the house, use sanitizer, keep my distance in crowds and don’t shake hands or touch/hug people unnecessarily.

The statistics around unvaccinated people also includes those who have had their first two jabs and also those who have had a booster within the last two weeks so basically only those who have had 3 jabs are now considered vaccinated. I know plenty who went along with the first two because it seemed like the right thing to do but are now pissed off at the seemingly endless programme of boosters they’re now having to undergo.