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Ineke · 06/01/2022 09:06

Does anyone else feel frustrated that so many people are waiting for urgent hospital treatment such as cancer and heart surgery, but their slots are being cancelled because hospital beds are being taken up by unvaccinated Covid patients. Many of whom beg to be vaccinated when they reach Intensive Care but by then of course it’s too late. I am beginning to feel that if you are anti Vaxer, then you should not expect a hospital bed if and when you get ill. If you refuse a vaccine, then sign something to say that you will refuse treatment if needed. I feel anguish for those people whose cancer treatment has been postponed because of selfish people too proud to be vaccinated.
The other frustration I have is that now positive Lateral flows don’t need to be confirmed with a PCR, so track and trace is not in place, I would imagine that many of those asymptomatic people with positive lateral Flows will just carry on as normal and go about those daily businesses , and not self isolate, perhaps they will keep away from their family and friends, but will not stay indoors for seven days if they feel ok and don’t have to report their status to anyone. How many people send in their results, negative/positive after each test that they take.. I must admit, that I only send in one out of three but we should send in the result each time. So far, I haven’t caught this virus, but am expecting to sooner or later with Omicron.

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Tana433 · 06/01/2022 10:08

Wow, another goady anti vaxx post on MN. Who would have thunk it. It is getting boring now. You really are quite an ignorant lot some of you, you really are.

nojudgementhere · 06/01/2022 10:08

@vera99

"As for the non-vaccinated, I really want to piss them off," he told Le Parisien newspaper in an interview, using the French verb "emmerder".

Derived from the word "merde" which means "shit", the word is considered vulgar slang in France.

This would mean "limiting as much as possible their access to activities in social life," he added.

"We have to tell (the unvaccinated)... you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema," the president said.

"We will continue to do this, to the end. This is the strategy," Macron added.

According to government figures, 91 percent of French over-18s are fully vaccinated.

I think this is appalling behaviour for an elected politcian and I think he should be immediately sacked. I'm also really confused by the line, 'We will contnue to do this, to the end.' What a strange and sinister statement. Vallance has said it's not logistically or economically possible to constantly vaccinate a population bi-annually as they are currently doing, so what is Macron's endpoint? Will he still be insisting on vaccine passports when Covid is under control and everybody's vaccines have worn off?
Cam77 · 06/01/2022 10:10

One could equally express frustration at obesity levels and the fact that the majority of those taking up hospital beds both with covid and without are there due to self-inflicted lifestyle choices. But then where does one draw the line?

Exactly. Should people who consume alcoholic beverages be given treatment? What about people who ride motorcycles, climbers, etc. And don’t get me started on people who don’t take daily exercise.

CatAlice · 06/01/2022 10:17

@girlmom21

Most people waiting for cancer treatment or heart surgery aren't in intensive care.

The testing system is only as good as people allow it to be. We have only ever been able to trust people getting positive LFT's have then got PCR's.

This isn't quite accurate. If you are having planned surgery for example a mastectomy for breast cancer they often (not always) need to reserve a bed in intensive care in case of complications. If there is no ICU bed free you can't have the surgery. My friend's spine operation was cancelled twice for this reason.

It's also true that most covid patients are not in intensive care but those that are in ICU are primarily unvaccinated.

I don't know what the answer is. I am uncomfortable with madatory vaccination. I believe there are two groups of unvaccinated. The conspiracy bunch who are largely unreachable and those who are genuinely afraid for some reason but not ant vax. There could be more help given to the latter.

Twinklingstarface · 06/01/2022 10:20

Your idea is truly beneath contempt. Appalling and thankfully it will never happen. Where do you stop with this wonderful idea of yours?
Every time someone goes to the corner shop to buy fags get them to sign the form saying they forgo treatment
Every time someone goes bungee jumping, car racing, motor biking,
Every time someone buys a certain amount of alcohol
Every time someone buys food over a certain number of calories with a certain amount of fat
Because risk takers are everywhere. Pleasure seekers, addicts taking up hospital beds. Are you going to ban them too?

Canigooutyet · 06/01/2022 10:24

Are posters like Gareth who has had a reaction to the first and not wanting to risk a second also be barred from accessing nhs? Those who haven't had one due to health exemption also be restricted access?
The people who aren't fully vaccinated because they don't want a booster every 3/6 months for an unspecified period of time?

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GarethKeenanInvestigates · 06/01/2022 10:34

@Canigooutyet

Are posters like Gareth who has had a reaction to the first and not wanting to risk a second also be barred from accessing nhs? Those who haven't had one due to health exemption also be restricted access? The people who aren't fully vaccinated because they don't want a booster every 3/6 months for an unspecified period of time?

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Yes, I presume people would like me to be turns away from hospital if I had bad covid.

I’ve told my story on here many times (under my old reg/name), only to be told time and. again it must have been a co incidence, or that I’m crazy no to take another vaccine.

Even the nhs say I can just have another brand after all, like it’s nothing and that easy after what I’ve been through.

The daft thing is, before the vaccine, I hadn’t used the NHS for a thing since I was 18 - 24 years. I’ve paid for private healthcare insurance and used that for any issue, even used a private GP all that time. Only, private healthcare won’t cover anything arising from covid vaccines, so I’ve cost the NHS god knows how much last year with all the hospital stays, scans, consultant appointments.

TheCatWearsPrada · 06/01/2022 10:40

@Ineke theres a coronavirus board for all covid related threads

TheCatWearsPrada · 06/01/2022 10:42

Posted to soon) if you have a scroll you will see your question has been asked multiple times.
Why don't you check?

user1231256 · 06/01/2022 10:44

would you suggest those who don't take the flu vaccine aren't offered a hospital bed if they land in hospital with flu?

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AdmiralCain · 06/01/2022 10:47

Quite simply if you deny me medical treatment, I'll ask my employer to pay me gross, do my own tax returns and refuse to pay my national insurance. I pay my national insurance so I get the NHS.

Flumo · 06/01/2022 10:48

@TheNoonBell

I think the selfish vaccinated should be denied care for taking up all the NHS time jabbing them.

You can't get a doctors appointment as they are out jabbing covidians all day.

Yeah because doctors do the vaccinations 🙄
Aposterhasnoname · 06/01/2022 10:50

@AdmiralCain

Quite simply if you deny me medical treatment, I'll ask my employer to pay me gross, do my own tax returns and refuse to pay my national insurance. I pay my national insurance so I get the NHS.
Cool, as long a you don’t expect any benefits if you fall on hard times, which are also covered by national insurance.
Thievesoil · 06/01/2022 10:50

What about the obese? Where does this revolting vilification end? It’s apparently the unboosted now. Does anyone even know?

But I will say that this stoking of division and hatred isn’t persuading anyone unvaccinated to take it. The opposite

AdmiralCain · 06/01/2022 10:54

@Aposterhasnoname I've totally made provisions for my private pension, downsizing my house to release equity etc I'm not living in a glass house throwing stones.

pointythings · 06/01/2022 11:19

Obesity, smoking etc. are not contagious. COVID is. That argument has been done to death.

People like Gareth absolutely should have exemption for medical reasons!

And anyone who gets COVID, vaccinated or not, should get treatment because that is how our system works. People without bad reactions who are refusing the vaccine without a good medical reason, just because of the 'feelz' should give their heads a wobble.

GarethKeenanInvestigates · 06/01/2022 11:27

@pointythings

Obesity, smoking etc. are not contagious. COVID is. That argument has been done to death.

People like Gareth absolutely should have exemption for medical reasons!

And anyone who gets COVID, vaccinated or not, should get treatment because that is how our system works. People without bad reactions who are refusing the vaccine without a good medical reason, just because of the 'feelz' should give their heads a wobble.

My issues aren’t “enough” to get an exemption though. People think you can get exemptions easily after a consultant has confirmed vaccine unjust - I know from many other people in my situation and far worse, that it’s not the case at all.

The issue I have is known to be caused by one of the vaccines. So the fact is, I could just have another brand. I just can’t face taking another risk. I was in tip top health before my vaccine, now I’m
not. I’ve made the choice that I will never have another. But that’s my choice. As far as the NHS are concerned, I am refusing to have another vaccine.

Even my consultant said his hands were tied with exemptions for many patients. The message is always to vaccinate with one of the brands.

No amount of “educating” me on vaccines (which is another thing I’ve been told would help me), will take away the sheer terror of what i went though last year or the effects i’m still suffering.

GarethKeenanInvestigates · 06/01/2022 11:27

*injury, not unjust

ilovesooty · 06/01/2022 11:29

There's a lot of difference between suggesting the unvaccinated by choice are denied treatment (ethical minefield) and limiting their access to recreational activities.

PinkLime · 06/01/2022 11:30

Sigh

pointythings · 06/01/2022 11:32

Gareth I feel very strongly that the exemptions system needs a massive overhaul and needs to be frequently reviewed becaus the situation is so changeable. It's mad that people like you can't get a medical exemption for vaccination.

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MaxNormal · 06/01/2022 13:12

I can confirm that it's exceedingly difficult (impossible?) to get an exemption. I am not officially exempt despite being in possession of a letter from my consultant exempting me. Neither the helpline nor my gp surgery seem to know what to do with it.

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