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Ineke · 06/01/2022 09:06

Does anyone else feel frustrated that so many people are waiting for urgent hospital treatment such as cancer and heart surgery, but their slots are being cancelled because hospital beds are being taken up by unvaccinated Covid patients. Many of whom beg to be vaccinated when they reach Intensive Care but by then of course it’s too late. I am beginning to feel that if you are anti Vaxer, then you should not expect a hospital bed if and when you get ill. If you refuse a vaccine, then sign something to say that you will refuse treatment if needed. I feel anguish for those people whose cancer treatment has been postponed because of selfish people too proud to be vaccinated.
The other frustration I have is that now positive Lateral flows don’t need to be confirmed with a PCR, so track and trace is not in place, I would imagine that many of those asymptomatic people with positive lateral Flows will just carry on as normal and go about those daily businesses , and not self isolate, perhaps they will keep away from their family and friends, but will not stay indoors for seven days if they feel ok and don’t have to report their status to anyone. How many people send in their results, negative/positive after each test that they take.. I must admit, that I only send in one out of three but we should send in the result each time. So far, I haven’t caught this virus, but am expecting to sooner or later with Omicron.

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girlmom21 · 06/01/2022 09:09

Most people waiting for cancer treatment or heart surgery aren't in intensive care.

The testing system is only as good as people allow it to be. We have only ever been able to trust people getting positive LFT's have then got PCR's.

BertieQueen · 06/01/2022 09:09

Not having one vaccine does not mean they are a anti vaxer🙄

Darbs76 · 06/01/2022 09:09

You’re supposed to upload your positive LFT result and track and trace will still contact you. And yes they do annoy me very much

DropYourSword · 06/01/2022 09:10

You are going to catch it sooner or later. Seems to me like that’s the plan now. I’m over in Australia and it’s exactly the same plan for us.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2022 09:10

YANBU

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/01/2022 09:10

Oh great, another one of these threads.

skellingtonboot · 06/01/2022 09:13

Please have your post moved to the Coronavirus topic (along with all the other threads discussing the same thing)

Aposterhasnoname · 06/01/2022 09:14

Most people waiting for cancer treatment or heart surgery aren't in intensive care.

Most people with covid aren’t either.

The other frustration I have is that now positive Lateral flows don’t need to be confirmed with a PCR, so track and trace is not in place, I would imagine that many of those asymptomatic people with positive lateral Flows will just carry on as normal and go about those daily businesses , and not self isolate.

But the type of person who will do that, is also the type that won’t take lateral flows anyway, so it’s a moot point.

XenoBitch · 06/01/2022 09:14

YABVU and vile to suggest anyone should be denied treatment because of a choice they made.
Like a pp said, not having the Covid vaccine does not make you an anti-vaxxer.

Sloth66 · 06/01/2022 09:16

The whole system seems to be under immense strain. A nurse friend was sent from her speciality to work in itu last year because of serious shortages, she estimated more than 80% of patients there were unvaccinated.

The NHS was already struggling before Covid to recruit and retain staff. Apparently people are now leaving in droves, to retire early or because they’ve had enough.
It’s frightening because things will get missed, treatable issues can become incurable.

MaxNormal · 06/01/2022 09:18

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Cornettoninja · 06/01/2022 09:19

Honestly? At this particular point I don’t care. The damage has been done to the NHS and will take an age to get anywhere approaching what we had pre-covid if it exists in the future at all. Even privatisation isn’t going to do much - we physically don’t have the knowledge and experience employed.

Vaccinations at this point are mostly an individual protection rather than widespread sterilisation of the virus due to mutations so anyone choosing not to has as much information as I do and has made their decision. This opinion may change if an updated vaccine is approved and widely distributed.

PurpleDaisies · 06/01/2022 09:19

I am beginning to feel that if you are anti Vaxer, then you should not expect a hospital bed if and when you get ill. If you refuse a vaccine, then sign something to say that you will refuse treatment if needed.
It won’t happen. It would be inhumane to enforce this. You think any doctor is going to send a sick patient home to die because they made a bad decision? Which other poor decisions will be punished with exclusion from hospital?

Angel2702 · 06/01/2022 09:22

Someone not reporting a positive LFT to avoid isolating wouldn’t follow up a positive LFt with a PCR anyway, requiring a follow up PCR doesn’t chance anything.

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Littlecaf · 06/01/2022 09:46

@XenoBitch

YABVU and vile to suggest anyone should be denied treatment because of a choice they made. Like a pp said, not having the Covid vaccine does not make you an anti-vaxxer.
What does it make you then? Pro vaccine?
MaxNormal · 06/01/2022 09:48

if you don't like it then you are choosing to limit your life and options available to you

The word "choosing" doing some heavy lifting there.

pointythings · 06/01/2022 09:48

I'm as frustrated as you are, but can't condone changing the principles of how the NHS works. We all pay into it, we all get care even if we are stupid enough not to get COVID vaxxed.

I am however fully on board with what Macron is proposing. No vax? You don't get to take part in any of the fun stuff in life.

XenoBitch · 06/01/2022 09:50

What does it make you then? Pro vaccine?

Why does someone who has not had a particular vaccine need a label?
Why put people into boxes?

vera99 · 06/01/2022 09:50

"As for the non-vaccinated, I really want to piss them off," he told Le Parisien newspaper in an interview, using the French verb "emmerder".

Derived from the word "merde" which means "shit", the word is considered vulgar slang in France.

This would mean "limiting as much as possible their access to activities in social life," he added.

"We have to tell (the unvaccinated)... you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema," the president said.

"We will continue to do this, to the end. This is the strategy," Macron added.

According to government figures, 91 percent of French over-18s are fully vaccinated.

vera99 · 06/01/2022 09:58

My nephew's 32 years old is holding out. His daughter and wife have both had covid at different times and he tested negative both times. He says why should I ? I've stopped arguing but said then this is the way the world is going if you want to limit your travel/employment/access to services then go ahead. He's quite bitter now when all he has to do is go online make a booking and turn up and have it done. He also likes to chuck in this is how Nazism started which is nonsense. He's the only one in our circle of family and friends that has confessed to that and it's sad to see him in a lonely place but that's his choice.

GarethKeenanInvestigates · 06/01/2022 10:03

We will continue to do this, to the end. This is the strategy

To the end of what? Covid? Time? Does no one see this as sinister yet?

And no, I’m not an anti vaxxer. Had my first willingly but ended up with neurological damage, yes, confirmed and something that’s been seen with the vaccine I had. still under my consultant but I won’t be having another covid vaccine of any make (they won’t give me an exemption because while the problem I have is noted to be caused by one certain vaccine, they just say I can have another make, after what I’ve been through/am still going through, I won’t do that). But I guess that now does make me an unvaccinated anti vaxxer to many people now.

CrunchyCarrot · 06/01/2022 10:06

Not this topic again! I completely disagree with you, OP, on both counts. Too weary to go into the details again.

Canigooutyet · 06/01/2022 10:06

Why stop at the unvaccinated? What about drinkers, smokers and addicts? They take up vital because of their choices.
How about we do the same for those who refuse to have the flu vaccine?

How is mandatory Covid vaccination working for the care industry?
How many nhs staff be doing the same and leaving?

We have freedom of choice. Being forced to have medical interventions should not become the norm.