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Do you still agree with mandatory vaccines for NHS?

414 replies

woollymammoths · 05/01/2022 17:13

Not doing this to goad and completely respectful of people’s choices. But genuinely interested in opinions and any research that people are aware of.

At this point in time I am struggling to think of family and friends that do not have covid right now. Some are triple vaccinated, some are unvaccinated. There does not seem to be any distinct differences between how easily it was transmitted or how ill the individuals are - according to their vaccination status.

Example:
My DP is triple jabbed - he has had covid twice (once after 2 jabs, the second time after booster). More ill the second time, but still mild.

His (NHS) department is currently shut down with the amount of (triple jabbed) staff off sick with covid.

I caught covid from him.

I am unvaccinated - have had covid twice. Been unpleasant but not hospitalised. The second time milder than the first.

I am on mat leave but due to return to my NHS role.

Why am I still being forced to be vaccinated?

please do not say ‘just find another job’. That is not the point of my thread

OP posts:
Maverickess · 06/01/2022 00:24

23:10orchid202

vodkaredbullgirl

They did with care homes and lost many carers.

A lot of these peoples jobs are not as easily replaceable.

Have you seen the state of social care recently? Companies handing back contracts and councils talking about redeployment of staff to care homes. Thousands of jobs available before the mandate, even more now. Staff burned out by the pandemic itself now picking up the slack from this too.

They're not being 'easily replaced' in a job that doesn't need a degree and level of training like medical care does, and the time and finances to achieve that.
And that's because we're treating our health and social care staff with contempt and disregard, and like their only function is to look after others, at their own expense.

I support vaccination, what I do not support is this do as you're told or else attitude, where the concequences fall on other people like patients and the staff left, to pick up the pieces and suffer the concequences.

It's all very well people saying they are in the wrong job, they shouldn't be a SC or HC worker if they don't want to be vaccinated at all or every 3 months or whatever they decide is next, but are those people willing to put their money where their mouth is and go and staff social care and the NHS?

hopeful777 · 06/01/2022 00:26

Also an nhs worker in ED and also not completely vaccinated (had first dose in feb with a reaction to it). I work in a&e and have worked through pandemic not ever having caught Covid (despite positive patients coughing in my face especially in early days 2 years ago).

I don’t agree with mandatory vaccine mandate and will have to sadly (I am a very caring doctor who loves her job despite what people may say to be for choosing not to have second or third vaccines) leave in April should it go through as mandatory.

I do believe in vaccinations if they work effectively. We are still waiting for long term data on efficacy (vaccine drive was started with 6 month data initially and we’ve had 3, now maybe 4 doses in last year alone!)

I am at my base a scientist and I think the data has been manipulated to get populations to listen and follow government advice. Only time will tell us where we went wrong but as long as continue to adhere to strict infection control guidelines, I want to see society getting back to normal. (Additionally, I do send home a lot of patients with temp/cough testing positive for Covid to recover at home so not everyone is being admitted- and not all those admitted/testing positive are there because of that - eg can come in with appendicitis and have a positive test as a separate issue with no symptoms). Also, the staff shortages are not just in unvaccinated- triple jabbed are still asked to self isolate if they are living with a contact. There is no need to vilify anyone over their choices- we don’t do it for any other reason so I don’t understand why it’s ok to bash those people who choose not to have the vaccine - we’ve become obsessed with this!

We still don’t know why some diseases affect some people severely and others seem to be resistant- I would advise everyone to focus on their health this year; exercise regularly, eat healthily and keep your immune system strong.

OhWhyNot · 06/01/2022 01:17

Yes if front line role

It’a causing a lot of bad feeling at work especially when non vaccinated staff have to self isolate for 10 days on full pay (yet again)

Thankfully this nonsense shall not be an issue soon I am fed up as others are for having to cover for these selfish colleagues we support some very vulnerable people and have to give our non vaccinated staff more consideration when supporting patients with Covid (if we don’t they will be off again 🙄)

Flaxmeadow · 06/01/2022 06:15

Yes.
The health service is science based. If antivaxxers are not prepared to get on with the job then they need to leave.

merrymouse · 06/01/2022 06:36

I do believe in vaccinations if they work effectively. We are still waiting for long term data on efficacy (vaccine drive was started with 6 month data initially and we’ve had 3, now maybe 4 doses in last year alone!)

And in the meantime? Continued restrictions (particularly in healthcare) until we have long term data? When will the data be long term enough?

The ‘personal’ choice to be unvaccinated relies very heavily on other people making a different choice.

Aishah231 · 06/01/2022 06:43

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merrymouse · 06/01/2022 06:49

Given we cannot jab people every six months, I cannot see the point as there is no effect in transmission.

Except they do reduce transmission rates. Not completely, but there is an impact. When you add that to other measures like wearing masks in some situations, it becomes more possible to live with Covid.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 06/01/2022 06:57

They only test the unvaccinated in hospital for covid which may be skewing the figures.

@Aishah231 I can't believe you are still spreading this misinformation. You were told numerous times by multiple posters that is not true.

Curiousmouse · 06/01/2022 07:01

Yes.

Mistyplanet · 06/01/2022 07:22

I agree with you OP

Jinglebellsoncake · 06/01/2022 07:25

No they should not.

Side note. A lot of NHS staff (unvaccinated) will be given their notice next month. However the hospital's won't cope without them... So what will they do?

Hire them as locum staff.. and have to pay them double/triple their salaries. It will cost the NHS a lot of money!
(Locum staff don't need to be vaccinated)

autismandgin · 06/01/2022 08:11

But how many of those unvaccinated staff are on minuscule hours per week?

Like my midwife neighbour who literally works 6 hours a week. I’m not judging part timers (I work part time in a school) but I know, through common sense that if I had to leave my job then I wouldn’t be hugely missed, someone could cover and I would be easily replaceable.

Just adding to the discussion Smile

autismandgin · 06/01/2022 08:13

“ Hire them as locum staff.. and have to pay them double/triple their salaries. It will cost the NHS a lot of money!
(Locum staff don't need to be vaccinated)”

Ew. Do these people not have morals? Why work in health care if you don’t want to care about people’s health? Being unvaccinated is one thing but taking money needlessly away from the NHS is another. And pretty nauseating…

Roselilly36 · 06/01/2022 08:16

@backtoworktomorrow81

No.

Even a fully vaccinated person can transmit the virus. If the virus prevented transmission then there might be a bit of an argument but it doesn't

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howdiditcometothis666 · 06/01/2022 08:31

@OhWhyNot

Yes if front line role

It’a causing a lot of bad feeling at work especially when non vaccinated staff have to self isolate for 10 days on full pay (yet again)

Thankfully this nonsense shall not be an issue soon I am fed up as others are for having to cover for these selfish colleagues we support some very vulnerable people and have to give our non vaccinated staff more consideration when supporting patients with Covid (if we don’t they will be off again 🙄)

But if the non vaccinated staff leave you will be covering for them a lot longer than 10 days if you can't replace them. As we are told NHS can't get staff and are on their knees it's a fair assumption they won't be replaced?
Or if the poster below is correct they will be back working with you as locums with much better wages. It feels like a game of brinkmanship where the NHS hope the staff will get vaccinated. If they don't and patient care fails ?

The local care homes are now, for the first time ever, doing glossy leaflet drops through Royal Mail advertising for staff. They are that desperate.

SmithofSilver · 06/01/2022 08:33

Honestly for people like you, yeah, I think you should lose your job if you work in healthcare. I'm past having patience with people that spout nonsense, it's pathetic and there is no room for it in healthcare at all.

periwinklepetals · 06/01/2022 08:37

@howdiditcometothis666 just because care homes in your area are doing Royal Mail leaflets doesn’t mean it’s wide spread. I live in a City and I know for a fact our care homes are staffed well.

Why do so many posters come on Mumsnet assuming just because something is happening locally to them that it’s UK wide. It’s really funny and shows a lack of common sense & a degree of self absorbency.

Which are the same personality traits we dont want to see in hospitals! Smile

vodkaredbullgirl · 06/01/2022 08:51

I wish our place was staffed well, for the past year I've been doing 2 extra shifts a month. The agency bill will be well over what we had before the pandemic.

Geamhradh · 06/01/2022 09:26

@Thievesoil

I really do not agree with it at all.

I don’t understand the logic for it.

I am appalled. I’m watching France and Italy with utter sorrow. Germany and Austria have lost the plot
It seems abundantly clear to me that the vaccines are to keep the vulnerable and elderly alive and out of hospital. Given we cannot jab people every six months, I cannot see the point as there is no effect in transmission.

I stand with the 100k

Aww cheers. But here in Italy we've been watching the UK for almost 2 years in horror. They passed the law last night here that all over 50s must be vaccinated. And the whole bus cheered. Wink
Autismandgin · 06/01/2022 09:36

@Geamhradh reading that made me smile! Smile

Carriemac · 06/01/2022 09:39

Who says locums don't have to be vaccinated?

littlebilliie · 06/01/2022 09:52

Yes mandatory

OhWhyNot · 06/01/2022 10:01

Roselilly36

We might struggle for a while but we are struggling anyway with staff that do not want to work as being part of a team. To work as part of a team is essential

And all out bank staff (that are happy to take on more shifts) are vaccinated

We are struggling because staff actually have Covid and have to self isolate then the piss takers that have to self isolate because they have been in close contact and are not vaccinated

We should other staff have to carry them that is what is happening

howdiditcometothis666 · 06/01/2022 10:01

[quote periwinklepetals]@howdiditcometothis666 just because care homes in your area are doing Royal Mail leaflets doesn’t mean it’s wide spread. I live in a City and I know for a fact our care homes are staffed well.

Why do so many posters come on Mumsnet assuming just because something is happening locally to them that it’s UK wide. It’s really funny and shows a lack of common sense & a degree of self absorbency.

Which are the same personality traits we dont want to see in hospitals! Smile[/quote]
Right back at you! Your care homes are ok so you don't care about ours?

GreenWhiteViolet · 06/01/2022 10:03

The whole bus cheered? Hmm

I think these laws are frighteningly illiberal. I think the most that can be justified is a policy saying that new NHS employees must be vaccinated. That way, you know in advance and can make a decision. Nobody should lose their job because they don't want a vaccine. Nobody should be coerced into having one.