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Do you still agree with mandatory vaccines for NHS?

414 replies

woollymammoths · 05/01/2022 17:13

Not doing this to goad and completely respectful of people’s choices. But genuinely interested in opinions and any research that people are aware of.

At this point in time I am struggling to think of family and friends that do not have covid right now. Some are triple vaccinated, some are unvaccinated. There does not seem to be any distinct differences between how easily it was transmitted or how ill the individuals are - according to their vaccination status.

Example:
My DP is triple jabbed - he has had covid twice (once after 2 jabs, the second time after booster). More ill the second time, but still mild.

His (NHS) department is currently shut down with the amount of (triple jabbed) staff off sick with covid.

I caught covid from him.

I am unvaccinated - have had covid twice. Been unpleasant but not hospitalised. The second time milder than the first.

I am on mat leave but due to return to my NHS role.

Why am I still being forced to be vaccinated?

please do not say ‘just find another job’. That is not the point of my thread

OP posts:
orchid2021 · 05/01/2022 23:02

I don't agree with it no.
I also think it's unlikely to happen. join the group nhs100k on Facebook or instagram if your unsure about getting it but worried about losing your job.
there are over 100k healthcare professionals who haven't had the jab. I just don't see how it will be possible that they will go ahead with making it compulsory.

vodkaredbullgirl · 05/01/2022 23:05

They did with care homes and lost many carers.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 05/01/2022 23:06

shoopashoop, are you op? Anyways, I agree with Bluntness100.

skintasabint · 05/01/2022 23:08

No. I don't believe vaccines should be mandatory at all.

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2022 23:09

[quote shoopashoop]@Bluntness100 both your assumptions of me are incorrect.
As for the ‘some admin staff somewhere’ comment....take your rudeness elsewhere[/quote]
Are you the op? If not why do you feel this thread is about you?or my comments? I mean that genuinely. Unless someone tags you the comments are to the op. Did you have a name change fail?

orchid2021 · 05/01/2022 23:10

@vodkaredbullgirl

They did with care homes and lost many carers.
A lot of these peoples jobs are not as easily replaceable.
hangonamo · 05/01/2022 23:10

@shoopashoop

I have also discussed transmission in my OP
If you're the OP you didn't "discuss transmission", you came out with the usual anti vax rubbish about vaccination having no effect on transmission based on a sample of you and your OP. Absolute nonsense.
Bluntness100 · 05/01/2022 23:11

A lot of these peoples jobs are not as easily replaceable.

Nor are the lives lost to Covid,

Veeveeoxox · 05/01/2022 23:13

I'm triple jabbed and I think if they asked me to get a booster every 3-6 months I'd have to decline as what vaccine do you need every ,3-6 months ?? . I've had awful side effects from every one of the COVID jabs non from the annual flu jab.

Thievesoil · 05/01/2022 23:16

I really do not agree with it at all.

I don’t understand the logic for it.

I am appalled. I’m watching France and Italy with utter sorrow. Germany and Austria have lost the plot
It seems abundantly clear to me that the vaccines are to keep the vulnerable and elderly alive and out of hospital. Given we cannot jab people every six months, I cannot see the point as there is no effect in transmission.

I stand with the 100k

Itsnotover · 05/01/2022 23:17

All antivaxxers repeatedly say that they shouldn't get the vaccine because it doesn't work. That's how they convince themselves not others that their behaviour is not selfish and stupid.

Itsnotover · 05/01/2022 23:17

@Bluntness100

A lot of these peoples jobs are not as easily replaceable.

Nor are the lives lost to Covid,

Quite.

JasmineGarden · 05/01/2022 23:20

@lljkk

I did & still do oppose mandatory Covid vaccs for anyone
They aren't mandatory for anyone!!!

They're mandatory to do some jobs.

HUGE difference.

Thievesoil · 05/01/2022 23:20

Do we think ensuring NHS staff are double jabbed will save any lives?

Genuine question. I must be dumb as fuck as I can’t see how it will

JasmineGarden · 05/01/2022 23:24

@Veeveeoxox

I'm triple jabbed and I think if they asked me to get a booster every 3-6 months I'd have to decline as what vaccine do you need every ,3-6 months ?? . I've had awful side effects from every one of the COVID jabs non from the annual flu jab.
Look into the history of vaccinations.

Give the scientists a chance, it's a novel virus, they've already come up with several vaccines, people take it for granted, it's actually incredible what they've done. In time they'll tweak it and it'll become annual or less frequent,

2boysDad · 05/01/2022 23:25

@Thievesoil

Do we think ensuring NHS staff are double jabbed will save any lives?

Genuine question. I must be dumb as fuck as I can’t see how it will

Yes. It'll reduce but not eliminate transmission. Even a small reduction is important.

Bear in mind that there are a lot of clinically vunerable people who are in/pass through hospitals. This is all important for thousands of people EG: people with cancer undergoing chemotherapy.

JasmineGarden · 05/01/2022 23:27

@Thievesoil

Do we think ensuring NHS staff are double jabbed will save any lives?

Genuine question. I must be dumb as fuck as I can’t see how it will

& boosted! Yes it will

They're less likely to get covid

& they're less likely to get very ill.

If they haven't got it they can't pass it on

The milder they have it, the less likely transmission is.

The people they 'care for' are vulnerable

maddy68 · 05/01/2022 23:30

I used to work in the NHS. It was compulsory to have certain vaccines such as tetnus, hep b etc. Why should covid he any different?

boogiebogie · 05/01/2022 23:32

Nope makes no difference. I know doctors and nurses who will not be vaccinated. Both in uk and usa. Oh look here i am with propaganda again... Except this time it's from the lancet so possibly allowed! www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext

fuckyourpronouns · 05/01/2022 23:32

Interesting question.

I have 2 points to this. Do I think people should be mandatory vaccinated against Covid in nhs? No.

Do I think the nhs should introduce mandatory vaccination for all disease. Yes. If you're in a patient facing role I think it should be mandatory. This is our health service.

Picking and choosing which vaccines should be mandatory particularly when it comes to a virus which will change year on year makes no sense to me

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2022 23:32

@Thievesoil

Do we think ensuring NHS staff are double jabbed will save any lives?

Genuine question. I must be dumb as fuck as I can’t see how it will

Just take sone time to read about reduction and transmission. I’m sure you’re not dumb as fuck more just have not taken the time to educate yourself,
JasmineGarden · 05/01/2022 23:36

@Flyonawalk

Mandating vaccines is illogical and unkind.

Prior to 2020 most people didn’t question whether clinicians had had a flu jab, although flu is a bigger killer of under 65s than covid.

The ‘precedent’ argument is bogus, surely. Vaccination against hepatitis A is recommended (not mandated as far as I know) for surgeons, for their own protection.

NHS staff must wonder how it has come to this. Spring 2020 the country applauded them every week, and now their medical freedom is taken away and few defend them.

Their freedom hadn't been taken away & it's not compulsory for them to have vaccinations, it's mandated for certain job, so if they want to do thise jobs they need to be fully vaccinated Frankly medical staff refusing vaccines is a worry. Unless clinically exempt, such backwards thinking is a worry in their jobs.
Thievesoil · 05/01/2022 23:37

Is a small reduction - and even that seems unlikely after six months - enough to cost someone their job? What if they have already had covid - and which means they are actually less likely to get it than the vaccinated colleague? Where is the sense in this?

What if they reacted adversely to the first- where do we draw the line? What about the short term side effects that we know of - for the small number who suffer “rarer” reactions and can’t work? This isn’t just heart issues but allergies and menstrual issues which aren’t always short lived

For right now, these vaccines are leaky and short lived.

Give me a person who has recovered than a double vaxxed to treat me if I’m recovered. There can’t be many unjabbed NHS sad who haven’t had it.

Where there is risk there must be choice

Dasher789 · 05/01/2022 23:37

No, I absolutely believe that your job should not depend on the covid vaccine

Veeveeoxox · 05/01/2022 23:41

^Look into the history of vaccinations.

Give the scientists a chance, it's a novel virus, they've already come up with several vaccines, people take it for granted, it's actually incredible what they've done. In time they'll tweak it and it'll become annual or less frequent^

Ok I'll wait then until they become annual because I've had the booster and still caught the latest strain . I'm not comfortable getting vaccinated every 3-6 months.