Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Original poster

Plan for people who are CEV?

162 replies

Curiousmouse · 05/01/2022 16:22

What is it?

Most of us had our boosters in September and early October.

We know that protection from Omicron is significantly reduced after 10-12 weeks, from a variety of studies.

The government now appears to have decided not to give fourth doses. Surely that means that the most vulnerable people are now ironically the least protected, given most others were vaccinated so much more recently. It's hard to see how we are going to avoid a deluge of CEV people hitting the hospitals. I don't feel confident at all.

(Yes I realise the small number of severely immunosuppressed will get fourth doses, but that isn't the same thing).

OP posts:
herecomesthsun · 05/01/2022 18:02

feeling lucky?

MrsColon · 05/01/2022 18:03

Honestly? I think this shitbag PM and Cabinet have decided that they can kill off a load of old and disabled folk who are costing the taxpayer a huge amount of money. Never mind their families/children/loved ones. Sad

Sparklingbrook · 05/01/2022 18:06

@MrsColon

Honestly? I think this shitbag PM and Cabinet have decided that they can kill off a load of old and disabled folk who are costing the taxpayer a huge amount of money. Never mind their families/children/loved ones. Sad
Honestly? I don't believe that at all.
Abraxan · 05/01/2022 18:11

I'm cv/CEV border it seems. Been in and off the shielding list and now been invited to have a fourth vaccine.

But letter yet again came late so I've been given the wrong dose for my third vaccine - had two Pfizer and third was the half dose Moderna booster. Should have been a full dose vaccine. Booster (4th) vax due in February.

Have letters telling me to be careful, take precautions etc.

In the meantime I'm in school every day, I working across the whole school. I'm in close contact with around 300 people (children and school adults) each week with no distancing or precautions bar an open window. I have arthritis and the cold is causing me so much pain - my fingers could barely move by the time I'd finished work this evening due to the cold. And that's with fingerless gloves on.

I caught covid in October 2021 and ended up in hospital due to complications. I'm still not back to normal health and on top of it all covid has left me with another health issue requiring daily medication for life.

There is no plan from what I can see bar hoping for the best.

I don't want to shield.
I don't want to hide away.
But just a little bit of acknowledgment from the government that it's hard going some days and almost impossible for us to 'take care' would be nice.

rrhuth · 05/01/2022 18:13

@treeflowercat

Given Omicron appears to be significantly less virulent than Delta, vaccines provide protection from severe disease and new anti-vitals appear to be very effective, what is the risk now if someone who is CEV catches Covid? Of course, it's still going to be higher than for the average person, but is the risk now comparable to other respiratory illnesses like flu? (accepting it was far higher pre-vaccine, with previous variants and before anti-virals?). If it is, then does Covid require any more caution than would have been taken pre-Covid?
No, it is nothing like bloody flu. And the flu vaccine provides protection for longer.
rrhuth · 05/01/2022 18:15

Sick of ignorant bloody comparisons to flu. One in fifteen people did not have flu last week so the risk is far fucking higher with covid because it is everywhere as well as being worse and a more complicated virus.

I am not CEV or CV myself but I am absolutely disgusted how many people, including the PM, do not seem to give a shit how many people die so long as it is not them.

Sparklingbrook · 05/01/2022 18:22

I thought this thread was going to be a better discussion. Having a relative who is CEV I thought I would post. But it's turning the same as all other threads in this topic.

MargaretThursday · 05/01/2022 18:23

@Confuzzlediddled

I had a 3rd primary dose, as per a letter from my consultant and now I can't get a booster! The booking service says I'm not eligible and to contact my GP, and my GP have "never heard of anyone getting a 3rd dose that's not a booster" so even those that should be entitled can't necessarily access the 4th dose!
I've had similar about my CEV ds. Got a letter from NHS saying he's vulnerable so should only have 8 weeks between jabs, contact the GP. GP "knows nothing". Earliest I can get online is 12 weeks, 119 can't book it earlier either. Unimpressed.
EnjoyingTheArmoire · 05/01/2022 18:24

It's been an absolute shitshow.

Mine is a CV/CEV child (depending on the day of the week seemingly) who was prioritised for vaccinations against Delta, but then excluded from the booster programme so will have waning immunity just as school returns Hmm

It's been such a slog just to get to this point. Organising healthcare shouldn't be this difficult.

Sparklingbrook · 05/01/2022 18:27

It does seem very area dependent. They seem quite on the ball here, calling for boosters and sending emails about the new virals with the PCR test ready to go just in case.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/01/2022 18:30

It is a shit show. I've had my fourth dose, am eligible for the antivirals, but haven't had the priority test kit arrive.

EnjoyingTheArmoire · 05/01/2022 18:31

@MargaretThursday - Are there any walk in vaccination centres near you? The letter should be sufficient proof of eligibility if so.

We were "fortunate" that dc's second appt was booked at the same time as the first one (with the 8wk gap, through our local booking line).

Admittedly we did have issues when we turned up to the second appt to find it had been cancelled(!), but as we had paperwork in hand they were able to fit us in as expected.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 05/01/2022 18:33

My PCR test has arrived, and my consultant said that I'll be given an appointment for a fourth dose at the end of January.

It does seem patchy!

I know that we were told to chase if our tests hadn't arrived by January 10th OYBBK, so hopefully yours will arrive v. soon.

Kjcf · 05/01/2022 18:34

Your right it’s not like flu. For a lot of people it’s more like a cold!!

Sparklingbrook · 05/01/2022 18:42

I don't really get the arguing over what it's like. It's different for everyone. Some people I have spoken to have experienced flu like symptoms.

rrhuth · 05/01/2022 18:46

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Kitkat151 · 05/01/2022 18:47

I had my 4th booked for next week but currently have Covid so will have to cancel..... think I will leave it for a few months before I rebook as hope to have some Natural protection now for a bit anyway.

Kitkat151 · 05/01/2022 18:48

@Kjcf

Your right it’s not like flu. For a lot of people it’s more like a cold!!
That’s a bit below the belt....on a CEV thread🙄
rrhuth · 05/01/2022 18:50

The fact some people report symptoms they anecdotally class as being flu-like does not mean covid as a virus is like flu.

The constant comparisons to flu and cold are covid minimisation tactics and IMO are distasteful on a thread about the particular situation faced by those at higher statistical risk of death or serious illness.

nether · 05/01/2022 18:51

@Sparklingbrook

I don't really get the arguing over what it's like. It's different for everyone. Some people I have spoken to have experienced flu like symptoms.
Are you CEV, or have someone in your household that is?

Because if not, then no you probably won't get it

We are the people who don't expect it to be mild, let alone trivial. We're the groups most over-represented in ICUdmisdiins (its unvaccinated and immune suppressed, and if you don't for a vaccine response, then that's you (or your loved ones)

It's just crass to come on to a thread discussing the situation for the extremely and critically vulnerable and say it's just like flu, or even that it's different for everyone. For this is the group to which that does not apply. Over 98% of the general population will,not need hospital. For my household members condition, it's 30% and of those about half will end up in ICU, and half won't make it out.

So yes, odds are still in favour of survival, but I hope this evening figures give some idea of why the 'oh it's just like flu' get so annoying

nether · 05/01/2022 18:53

That’s a bit below the belt....on a CEV thread

I admire your restraint !

(but then again, we've all been told off if we are franker, havent we?)

Sparklingbrook · 05/01/2022 18:54

Are you CEV, or have someone in your household that is?

Have a very close relative but they don't live with me.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 05/01/2022 18:54

@Kjcf

Your right it’s not like flu. For a lot of people it’s more like a cold!!
Wow, how lovely, on the thread people are worrying about themselves and their loved ones.
BambinaJAS · 05/01/2022 19:01

@Curiousmouse

What is it?

Most of us had our boosters in September and early October.

We know that protection from Omicron is significantly reduced after 10-12 weeks, from a variety of studies.

The government now appears to have decided not to give fourth doses. Surely that means that the most vulnerable people are now ironically the least protected, given most others were vaccinated so much more recently. It's hard to see how we are going to avoid a deluge of CEV people hitting the hospitals. I don't feel confident at all.

(Yes I realise the small number of severely immunosuppressed will get fourth doses, but that isn't the same thing).

For the reduced protection after 10-12 weeks:
  1. This only applies to Pfizer as antibody levels decrease over that timespan leading you to have less protection against symptomatic infection.
  1. Moderna is much stronger than Pfizer as it delivers roughly 3x more mRNA per shot (this is also why it has a slightly higher incidence of side effects)

If Pfizer is 10-12 weeks, I would put Moderna at around at least 50% more in terms of protection (15 - 17 weeks). They are looking at this now in the US and UK as few countries can afford the shots (they are the most expensive by far at £20/shot in bulk).

Kjcf · 05/01/2022 19:02

That’s the reality of the situation. Not a comfort if you are vulnerable. I agree, but for a large portion of people that is the case. I personally believe that the government would have been better off giving the vulnerable a 4th jab then vaccinating children and giving those under 30 more boosters.