Hospitals critical incidents

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I have seen a number of hospital trusts have declared this today. What does this actually mean and how does it affect us? Boris didn’t seem to be bothered by this should we be?

Sorry @BreifNCCriticalHosps, I was imagining decent screens! I still think curtains are hideous but I think that's because the nurse refused to let me pull them even partially! I felt vulnerable and exposed and the lack of privacy was one of the reasons I discharged myself and one of the reasons I dread having to go into hospital (it obviously wasn't the only thing).

Anyway, I apologise for derailing. If ever someone has the guts to properly reform the NHS I hope that patient privacy will be taken into consideration.

Privacy going backwards in time was no great shakes you closed your ears. You can still hear over a solid screen. Frankly you leave your dignity at the door the staff need to get you well. Private health care provides privacy but it's lonely

I think that's a sad attitude. Why should we have to leave our dignity at the door when we are vulnerable?

What's lonely about private healthcare? Given the choice I'd rather be in my own room than in a ward with other people and not even be allowed to pull the curtains around my bed.

No one should have to leave their dignity at the door

“Crying Wolf!” Wtf are you on?!

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@Covidworries
Well yes it took years of austerity measures from the Tory Government to drive our NHS into the ground, it can’t be fixed overnight!

There is no magic wand for right now, we are reaping what the government sowed.

Frankly you leave your dignity at the door the staff need to get you well.

Dignity is a key element in getting well. Remove someone's dignity, remove the ability/ support to have a wash, clean your teeth, and they fast start giving up on life.

All those of you saying 'oh but I can't possibly look after my elderly relative' do make me laugh. You will spend time complaining on social media about the NHS. Not all patients stuck in hospital without adequate home care are complete invalids. A great many are possibly not so steady on their feet, Can't be relied on to take medication, Need assistance in dressing & undressing. Now all of these things can be assisted with by most able bodied people.

In the past decade or so, we have expected the state to take on the things we as family should be doing for each other. The current state of the NHS is our doing as well as mismanagement by both hospital hierarchy and successive Goverments.

Incidentally for those crying bloody tories look what they have done to us, Look back and see who was the probably the biggest supporter of PFI Contracts to build and run our hospitals. None other than our newly Knighted ex PM Tony Blair.

Incidentally for those crying bloody tories look what they have done to us, Look back and see who was the probably the biggest supporter of PFI Contracts to build and run our hospitals. None other than our newly Knighted ex PM Tony Blair

Introduced under the previous Conservative government.

@Iggly

Incidentally for those crying bloody tories look what they have done to us, Look back and see who was the probably the biggest supporter of PFI Contracts to build and run our hospitals. None other than our newly Knighted ex PM Tony Blair

Introduced under the previous Conservative government.

Quite correct, but do the research and see which party were the biggest supporters of it, Often handing out the contracts to their mates. Perhaps if MR Blair hadn't bankrupted the Country with his illegal wars, we would of had better spending on social care.

If you have to drive a loved one having a heart attack to hospital, because there are no ambulances, and you get stuck in traffic what do you do?

Wind down your window and shout NEE-NAR NEE-NAR?

Nope.

Social care has to become insurance based as not every person will need it.

Paying a premium when you turn 40 (similar to other countries) makes sense.

What we are doing now via the Social Care Levy is massively unfair as the older folks have not paid a penny towards their social care. We (working folks of all ages) are all being asked to subsidise their expensive houses by paying for their social care, when they have never contributed themwelves to this expense.

Thats not on. And when the Conservatives are booted from power in 2024, the younger generation are going to take a cleaver to all the extra benefits doled out to the retired folks over succesive Tory Governments. I don't imagine it will be pretty.

How can people these days care for elderly parents realistically?
It may be ok for the middle classes who have money to have ' granny annexes ' built or have carers paid for privately , but for many it just isn't feasible. People have to work to pay bills , they may not have space or have their own children living at home who need care and also can't afford to move out. Many are estranged from their families. They may not want to put their lives on hold either.
It isn't always black or white , the reasons that many end up in care homes. Putting a loved one in care isn't done easily without much soul searching and finding the right care home isn't easy or affordable.

People who think tbe policy of being asked to make their own way to hospital with heart attack or stroke symptoms dont seem to appreciate that this advice will have saved lives. If you wait 4 hours for an ambulance then a further 4 hours to get into hospital you may well lose your window for optimum stroke treatment. A 1 hour taxi journey and wait in hospital where if you deteriorate, the correct people, team and equipment can be located given you a better chance of survival than an at home or out of hospital cardiac arrest. It isn't ideal, no-one asked for this but its heartbreaking to read of people with sepsis, chest pain, difficulty breathing waiting patiently for ambulances in doctors surgeries or at home then dying due to delays in transfer or treatment!!

www.eadt.co.uk/news/health/west-suffolk-hospital-critical-incident-covid-shortages-8601504

@cocodomingo

People who think tbe policy of being asked to make their own way to hospital with heart attack or stroke symptoms dont seem to appreciate that this advice will have saved lives. If you wait 4 hours for an ambulance then a further 4 hours to get into hospital you may well lose your window for optimum stroke treatment. A 1 hour taxi journey and wait in hospital where if you deteriorate, the correct people, team and equipment can be located given you a better chance of survival than an at home or out of hospital cardiac arrest. It isn't ideal, no-one asked for this but its heartbreaking to read of people with sepsis, chest pain, difficulty breathing waiting patiently for ambulances in doctors surgeries or at home then dying due to delays in transfer or treatment!!

It is not acceptable to be in this situation and it is disgusting that the government is just tolerating it.

@BambinaJAS

Nope.

Social care has to become insurance based as not every person will need it.

Paying a premium when you turn 40 (similar to other countries) makes sense.

What we are doing now via the Social Care Levy is massively unfair as the older folks have not paid a penny towards their social care. We (working folks of all ages) are all being asked to subsidise their expensive houses by paying for their social care, when they have never contributed themwelves to this expense.

Thats not on. And when the Conservatives are booted from power in 2024, the younger generation are going to take a cleaver to all the extra benefits doled out to the retired folks over succesive Tory Governments. I don't imagine it will be pretty.

The older folks have also contributed to medical and social care for the generation that preceded them, however; certainly for those people without capital assets.

It is not as clear cut as you suggest.

People who think tbe policy of being asked to make their own way to hospital with heart attack or stroke symptoms dont seem to appreciate that this advice will have saved lives.

I’m not sure what your point is. Nobody is saying they would rather wait 4 hours for an ambulance or that advice shouldn’t reflect reality.

The other issue is that paramedics can often provide care which makes hospital admission unnecessary, so without ambulance capacity there will be increased pressure on A&E and other inpatient services.

@Youarefakenews

In the past decade or so, we have expected the state to take on the things we as family should be doing for each other. The current state of the NHS is our doing as well as mismanagement by both hospital hierarchy and successive Goverments

We haven't been looking after our elderly ever, in past decades they ended their days in the poor house, latterly geriatric wards and asylums.
Now super expensive Care homes.
Sure a few did, just as they do now but most families cannot manage without two wage earners, thanks to right to buy and no new council house building.

Hospital bed blocking is a direct result of expecting carers to work flat out, doing a skilled job and run a car for the minimum wage, they ve voted with their feet....

Blair got the NHS nearer to european standards of healthcare, with a doubling of funding, undone by 11 years of Tory Austerity and the removal of the Bursary for AHP's.

But as all voted for this (& Brexit which has made matters even worse), you are correct, its our fault.

@cocodomingo

People who think tbe policy of being asked to make their own way to hospital with heart attack or stroke symptoms dont seem to appreciate that this advice will have saved lives. If you wait 4 hours for an ambulance then a further 4 hours to get into hospital you may well lose your window for optimum stroke treatment. A 1 hour taxi journey and wait in hospital where if you deteriorate, the correct people, team and equipment can be located given you a better chance of survival than an at home or out of hospital cardiac arrest. It isn't ideal, no-one asked for this but its heartbreaking to read of people with sepsis, chest pain, difficulty breathing waiting patiently for ambulances in doctors surgeries or at home then dying due to delays in transfer or treatment!!

True, some people also do their own teeth extractions and fillings, why not a 2hr YouTube course on Hernia repair? stitching wounds and setting broken bones? Surely anyone, with some assistance (from a family member/friend) carry out basic procedures?

It would help the countries finances and allow more money for further tax cuts.

I do worry about how many taxi's an AE car park can hold whilst they wait for someone to finish their tea break and come out to take the patient to the Morgue..... who would pay the fare?

The country voted the Tories in. Hospital capacity has been cut to the bone for a decade. This is the result. Even if there was no pandemic.

@Iggly

Incidentally for those crying bloody tories look what they have done to us, Look back and see who was the probably the biggest supporter of PFI Contracts to build and run our hospitals. None other than our newly Knighted ex PM Tony Blair

Introduced under the previous Conservative government.

Compare bed capacity from 2010 to now.

The fact Labour weren't perfect doesn't excuse what the Tories have done to the NHS.

No beds and loads of staff off with covid in our trust. It means there’s no patient flow through the hospital so people back up in A&E and eventually we can no longer offload ambulances. Our local ambulance trust had 40% of its ambulances stuck at hospital last night for this reason. It makes it very difficult for ambulances to respond to all cat A calls (immediately life threatening) which is why it is so worrying.
The ambulance delays currently are the worst they have ever been in my career (sometimes many many hours to get an ambulance for an elderly person on the floor with a broken hip for example).

Thus is the tip of the iceberg. I could go on. Services are being compromised at many levels. Hospitals have been working at close to 100% capacity for years as a result of years of underfunding and bed cuts (we have half the hospital beds we had 40 years ago)

The fact Labour weren't perfect doesn't excuse what the Tories have done to the NHS

I agree. Gordon Brown was a massive champion of the nhs and education and put his money there. Quite rightly.

@Alexandra2001 what do you mean by your comment about waiting for someone to finish a tea break?

Because it comes across as a nasty attack on the staff in the hospital. Who are barely having water breaks or toilet breaks at present.

Your comment makes it sound like everyone is just watching ambulances line up outside the window and shrugging.