Hospitals critical incidents

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I have seen a number of hospital trusts have declared this today. What does this actually mean and how does it affect us? Boris didn’t seem to be bothered by this should we be?

@bumblingbovine49

Everyone who is saying the NHS is like this every year . SHAME ON YOU. The only thing you can think to say is 'meh that it happens every year so what?'. Really that is all you can say about it ?

It is absolutely shameful that after two years in a pandemic affecting a health system almost on its knees already , that we shrug our shoulders because we are fed up of being told about it and that we dismiss these report as ' scaremongering' because we want to 'get on with our lives'

I truly despair of the human race sometimes

Completely agree. It's disgusting that so many people kick the NHS. Quite possibly they themselves like to swell the numbers filling up A and E with unnecessary ailments.

fairgame84 Thank you for all you do - your care for the babies shines through.

As for the staffing vacancies, well it’s not rocket science is it?? Make it an attractive job! Great pay and good working conditions (like enough resources to meet demand), yeah that might help….. Oh and free training might be an idea…
supply and demand, if you need more NHS staff what are you going to entice them with?

@missyb1

Yes all needed bit doesnt really solve the current problems as training takes time

It is very frightening. At what point do we say the NHS is, in fact, "overwhelmed"? Anecdote: my elderly neighbour fell over a few days ago, could not get up from the road - waited 2 hours, no ambulance available and operator told us that she was not a priority so likely to be further hours to wait. She was freezing cold and shivering. Eventually managed to lift her into the back seat of another neighbour's car and he drove her into the hospital. She'd broken a hip.

It is indeed frightening. I do think we all need to be told to support older people more and as much as we can, rather than being super scared of infecting them with Covid. A lot of people will not take their elderly relatives home because that might compromise a bed in social care down the road when they already know their relative just cannot cope alone at home. However, in these critical situations people need to start doing that. If need be, people should be paid to do so.
As regards babies, children and pregnant women, whether vaccinated or not, they should be the absolute priority for the NHS at all times with urgent redeployments planned well in advance.
Let’s hope this Omicron wave passes very quickly!

Experienced staff are leaving.

Increase pay and improve working conditions and they might stay. That's the first thing that needs addressing.

Remember the nurse who looked after Boris when he had Covid? She's left the NHS.

@Youarefakenews

This is something we all should be playing our part in. We now expect the state to care for our elderly Parents. In Years gone by that role was covered by the family. Perhaps we need to return to that.

How though? Had my Mum come out of hospital there's no way I could have cared for her. I couldn't give up my job as we wouldn't have been able to pay the mortgage to keep our flat as I was the higher earner.

news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-uk-latest-coronavirus-omicron-booster-jabs-nhs-12507015?postid=3186739#liveblog-body

P.S. Care homes for the elderly perform the same service for the economy that schools and nurseries for children perform - keeping the people who would otherwise be caregivers in the job market being economically active consumers.

Shaun Lintern piece from Sunday

And also:

300 million pieces of PPE have expired in massive waste and mismanagement

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-ppe-omicron-stockpile-uk-latest-b1986637.html

Eddie Mair caller who works in A&E:

'I come home, I cry. This morning I didn't want to go. I cried before I went, but I went.'

This Eddie Mair caller, who works in A&E, speaks of the 'totally unsustainable' situation at her workplace.

twitter.com/lbc/status/1478434363754926080?s=21

"Riding out the wave" = cancelling operations at 17 Greater Manchester hospitals
twitter.com/shaunlintern/status/1478481351749902339?s=21

The NHS needs a total reform, we shouldn't have to 'save the NHS' every winter (and yes, I do know it's worse this year due to Covid before anyone tells me). What should we do now though? I know some people will say lockdown but surely that ship has well and truly sailed.

NC'ed so I don't out my location on my usual account but this has just been announced at my local trust.

Norfolk: Hospital takes 'extreme measures' to squeeze extra patients into full wards

We're not saving the NHS.

We're saving ourselves if we need it.

People will die this month because they weren't treated promptly enough, or at all.

Also about 150 patients waiting for discharge because there is no POC, according to some comments on the article

One thing that could stay from that @BreifNCCriticalHosps is a screen instead of a curtain between beds. I know they don't offer much more protection but somehow they seem more sturdy.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat The screens are incredibly inconvenient. They get in the way of equipment and take up a lot of precious bed space - which we now have NONE of because of this extra bed in the bays. The curtains don't take up floorspace and you don't need to physically move them to get a hoist or other things in the bay.

Honestly, this plan is absolutely abysmal for patients AND staff, but it is that or people dying in ambulances out the back of A&E.

We had a similar situatio woth a famiky member woth a leg broken in multople places. Hours for an ambulance, then a wait on the ramp, then sort of in a corridor on the trolley waiting but not being cared for or seen yet. Whole thing took forever. Once in visitors obly one hour a day so I couldn't help with care or just the nice bits. She couldn't walk so she didnt get tea or coffee during the day which normally a visitor could grab. Not at all urgent care but made a huge difference to my relative over a week. Bells not answered and no time spent with anxious patients as there wasnt the staff. In AnE I helped a lady with her phone to phone her son and was just painfulky aware how short staffed everythibg was. This was a few weeks ago its got worse.

Do people just think it doesnt affect them so they dont care? Or not realise that this means people aren't being treated? We wee up in qrms at the intiial reports from Italy at people not being treated for covid etc but now lots of people are quietly getting worse/sitting in pain/not getting the ambulance in time/needed operation...

Sorry for bad phone typing 🤦🏼‍♀️

@lljkk

"Hospitals at ‘breaking point’ as winter NHS crisis deepens" - December 2019.

NHS winter crisis: hospital 'felt like something out of a war zone' - January 2018

"OPEL figures revealed a third of hospitals in December 2016 issued serious alerts about their ability to meet patient pressures."

"At least 15 hospitals are telling patients to stay away as evidence mounts that A&E departments are struggling to cope" - January 2015

Sorry, I shouldn't say this, but I'm having a true 'Boy who Cried Wolf' feeling about news today.

As you have no perspective or understanding I guess.....

[quote BreifNCCriticalHosps]@PinkSparklyPussyCat The screens are incredibly inconvenient. They get in the way of equipment and take up a lot of precious bed space - which we now have NONE of because of this extra bed in the bays. The curtains don't take up floorspace and you don't need to physically move them to get a hoist or other things in the bay.

Honestly, this plan is absolutely abysmal for patients AND staff, but it is that or people dying in ambulances out the back of A&E.[/quote]
I meant they should stay going forward, I understand they are taking up space but surely patient privacy should be a concern in 'normal' times and those stupid curtains offer none.

Sorry, this isn't relevant to the subject and I agree what's happening at that hospital is shocking.

My friend did try to care for her MIL lasted three weeks her OH worked away so she had to do the lifting onto the commode bathing etc, her back went. He was adamant his mum was not going into care. He came home to chaos . After one!! Day of caring for mum he organised a care home.

When everyone lived in their home town village it worked well

My DS has met a friend of his girlfriend's parents. This friend has worked for 40 years to get all his relatives into one street in Bradford. He has now achieved this. Whether the next generation when they grow up will stay he knows is debatable

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I should have mentioned there is even less privacy but thought that was a given. All you need to do is stand up and peer through the gaps to see what's going on. They don't extend around the whole bedspace, just between them so you need two for any kind of privacy. They aren't tall so some people can actually see right over them (albeit on tiptoes) and one nudge with a piece of equipment and they fall over - and they will get nudged with 2-3 staff, a comode, a hoist, a table and the cabinets all taking up the bedspace. Add drips and anything else the patient might need and the staff literally can't get in next to the patient.

They aren't as brilliant as you think they are. Curtains encircle the whole bedspace and we have none of the above problems with them.

Also, imagine all that going on in two adjacent bedspaces..... It's awful.