How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

People going through chemo now in 2022, or who are otherwise CEV/CV/old really should have planned ahead and arranged to be born or moved to a country with a better covid strategy well in advance of the pandemic quite frankly.

Asking the "privileged not to be in that position" to expend any effort to reduce the covid chaos for everyone is obviously completely unreasonable.

Make everything better for everyone?! Outrageous!

If people won't countenance doing anything to protect our actual children why would they do anything to protect our economy, our livelihoods, our own people, our way of life?

It's far better to live exactly as we have done for the past 22 months.

Under covid's boot.

At the mercy of the next variant/health service collapse/set of restrictions.

Of course, none of us can control others' actions. It's the absolute lack of empathy for others I take issue with.

I don't want another lockdown, but do want the vulnerable in society to be protected. By vulnerable, I mean those with health problems, and those on the breadline (plus countless others).

Threads like this seem to attract the type of poster who just want to increase division and polarisation. (I don't mean you Jourdain).

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

Of course, none of us can control others' actions. It's the absolute lack of empathy for others I take issue with.

I don't want another lockdown, but do want the vulnerable in society to be protected. By vulnerable, I mean those with health problems, and those on the breadline (plus countless others).

Threads like this seem to attract the type of poster who just want to increase division and polarisation. (I don't mean you Jourdain).

What would you want to happen wrt protecting?

@hamstersarse

Die quietly, I expect. Or board themselves into their houses.

This is a curious statement,

Firstly, you’ve been vaccinated so the risk of death is tiny

Secondly, you are asking for more restrictions (lockdowns included) yet moan if people say you are free to stay in. It seems to me your attitude is if I have to do it then everyone else should, even if they are perfectly fine with the risk. It strikes me as a bit selfish

Making stuff up just to have a go at me again, Hamster

I'm not CEV. I was just (correctly) predicting what Sheikh's response to the question would be.

I wonder if there are no declarations of further restrictions because those who would follow them, already are without being told and those who wouldn’t follow them, just want something to twine about.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

Of course, none of us can control others' actions. It's the absolute lack of empathy for others I take issue with.

I don't want another lockdown, but do want the vulnerable in society to be protected. By vulnerable, I mean those with health problems, and those on the breadline (plus countless others).

Threads like this seem to attract the type of poster who just want to increase division and polarisation. (I don't mean you Jourdain).

I don't mean you either with my comments@MilesJuppIsMyBitch. I think everyone has different balance of risk for different things and so, different reactions and feelings... not making sense!!

For people to whom covid poses no risk

Who are they? Robots? Can't be everyday human beings.

Being a new still relatively unknown likely lab escaped (and possibly human modified) disease, SARS-COV-2 poses a risk to everyone. Directly because of Long Covid risks (overnight you could become one of The Others aka The Vulnerable).

But also indirectly. Hospitals full of Covid patients and staff off sick (many long-term with Long Covid or PTSD). Guess what? No or delayed medical care for you, if you need it. Mental health issues, cancer, meningitis, car accident, fall over and break your leg, go into labour, etc etc.

@Tealightsandd healthy young-ish people who have been vaccinated.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch the vulnerable now know what to do to protect themselves. And they’ve had 3 jabs. Do you not feel 2 years of restrictions, a recession and curtailing basic freedoms isn’t enough sacrifice for ‘the vulnerable’? I do.

I agree with everything @Tealightsandd has been saying. And I appreciate the information she has provided on the current status of drugs that can be used to fight Covid.

I just find this whole thread so sad, though, really. People who are CEV and people who are loaing their livelihoods fighting each other is not a constructive way forward. Instead we should be working together to hold this government to account. Instead of wasting taxpayer (i.e. our) money giving out dodgy contracts to all their mates they should be using it to support CEV people who need to shield, help failing businesses, put proper ventilation systems into schools, and adequately funding the NHS. But instead they have abandoned us to squabble amongst ourselves and we don't even see it.

@NotJustACigar how do we all club together and hold the government to account?

The same healthy young people who might still need education, healthcare, their bins emptied @Lifeisnteasy ?

See, I'm really starting to think that there are a bunch of people for whom these things really do just happen by magic and aren't at all reliant on, er, most other people in society being healthy and well?

@Barbie222 of course we’re reliant. Here’s hoping the cut to isolation time solves that one.

But hospitals have been packed since 2010, the time of year also increases this.

@Anitarest

I wonder if there are no declarations of further restrictions because those who would follow them, already are without being told and those who wouldn’t follow them, just want something to twine about.

I think there is an element of this. Those that want to be cautious have changed their behaviour, perhaps WFH, socialising less and avoiding busy places, others have no choice but to go to work and some are just cracking on with going out and doing things as normal.

[quote Lifeisnteasy]@MilesJuppIsMyBitch the vulnerable now know what to do to protect themselves. And they’ve had 3 jabs. Do you not feel 2 years of restrictions, a recession and curtailing basic freedoms isn’t enough sacrifice for ‘the vulnerable’? I do.[/quote]
I don't really want to argue with you, as you're attributing views to me that don't, in fact, hold.

I will say one thing, though: people were not 'sacrificing themselves for the vulnerable'. That's exactly the kind of divisive, polarising, othering bullshit that I'm talking about.

@Lifeisnteasy that's a conversation we could all be having instead of squabbling but as a starter for ten we could be encouraging each other and our friends and neighbours to write to our MPs (I have written to mine numerous times throughout).

@NotJustACigar

I agree with everything *@Tealightsandd* has been saying. And I appreciate the information she has provided on the current status of drugs that can be used to fight Covid.

I just find this whole thread so sad, though, really. People who are CEV and people who are loaing their livelihoods fighting each other is not a constructive way forward. Instead we should be working together to hold this government to account. Instead of wasting taxpayer (i.e. our) money giving out dodgy contracts to all their mates they should be using it to support CEV people who need to shield, help failing businesses, put proper ventilation systems into schools, and adequately funding the NHS. But instead they have abandoned us to squabble amongst ourselves and we don't even see it.

Exactly.

@Tealightsandd I am in England and I favour zero restrictions and stopping testing. All this uncertainty and fear mongering is just doing no one any good, I want us to use our collective common sense. I appreciate you won't see or understand my point of view but that is fine - beauty of living in a free state where you can voice differing opinions approaches. You yourself could consider a move to much more covid strict countries?

Opinions/approaches

Unless they cut the isolation time to one day @Lifeisnteasy it's not going to solve the problem though is it? Shrinking from 7 to 5 days won't increase time in work. That 2 days makes up the weekend, unless we start asking people to work 7 days out of 7.

@Anitarest

I wonder if there are no declarations of further restrictions because those who would follow them, already are without being told and those who wouldn’t follow them, just want something to twine about.

No. It's two things.

1. It's so far only really bad in London. And governments haven't cared about Londoners for decades. London is a place where money is made, often at the expense of the inhabitants.

1. Boris still thinks he can get the knives that are out for him put down. He's wrong. They want him gone and will not change their minds. He's too scared to accept Labour's help to do what's right for the country. He's silly. He might as well go out with his head held up high, sticking two fingers up to those who will oust him. But he won't. So here we are.

Let's hope omicron really is more mild - for everyone, elderly and vulnerable included. We'll also really need to look again at vaccine passes if we can't increase take up particularly in London.

We're privileged to have good access to vaccines. My friend's family in The Gambia have told her how much people over there would love to have the same availability.

Looking further into the future, there is good news. The anti virals, monoclonal antibodies, more of the world vaccinated, more knowledge. We'll get there. How easy the journey is, well that's up to us. Mitigations will ease the path. Vaccines including boosters, vaccine passes, masks, ventilation.

With a CEV dh who has worked from home thoughout we have now accepted that with 3 dds we have been extremely lucky to have avoided COVID up till now. We have done everything we can as a family to protect him. A 50 year old with a condition that doesn't affect life expectancy but the toxic drugs mess up his immune system.
We have to hope the vaccines work and if the inevitable happens and we get COVID in the house and he gets it we have to hope the early drug therapy he has been promised works.
That is all we have with it being so prevalent.

@Wizzbangfizz

I appreciate you won't see or understand my point of view but that is fine - beauty of living in a free state where you can voice differing opinions approaches. You yourself could consider a move to much more covid strict countries?

We agree on something Misinformation/hate aside, I value free speech and civilised debate.

Believe me, if I could get the visa and persuade DP to move, my family would be on the first flight out Maybe one day.

Have a nice evening all.

Believe me, if I could get the visa and persuade DP to move, my family would be on the first flight out grin Maybe one day.

Don't let the door hit you.