How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

I'm not prepared to hunker down until the mythical vaccine/cure. Moving to endemic status will be the route out and I for one won't be restricted in perpetuity. It is at the stage now where the cure is worse than the disease.

@speakout

Leave poor bobo alone. He needs his holidays too.

Just there is a national crisis happening - the man still has a truckle of stilton and a case of port to finish before he can get back to all that nasty boring meeting/work stuff.

He needs a life work balance too.

I know you're being sarcastic but yes the prime minister should have somewhat of a work life balance. This would depend on the rest of government being competent though, which it is not. Neither is he though so...but the people advising also need a break, they aren't servants.

Hospitals are only struggling because a lot of hospital staff have covid, it’s not the numbers of covid patients that is the problem, more people are testing than ever before so of course there is going to be an uptick in cases. The omnicrom variant is milder and the majority of the people getting hospitalised are those that have not taken up the vaccine offered so I don’t think that this can be blamed on the government. Scotland are already looking at adjusting their measures now it’s understood that the new variant is milder, I certainly don’t feel like we need a daily update on numbers of cases the fact that they are going up at the moment is not exactly unexpected. Not sure what else there is to say ?

@Guacamole001

They should stop daily cases reports and concentrate on hospital admissions and deaths instead.

Love the way it used to be about hospital admissions and now when the stats don’t work for dear Boris, we now measure ICU ADMISSIONS.

@Wizzbangfizz your healthcare will be whether you like it or not.

The true number of CEV who are of working age are a tiny, tiny proportion of society (fewer than 2%)

So still over a million people then @SheikhMaraca. And what should this million do over the next few weeks in your opinion? Carry on as normal?

And what should this million do over the next few weeks in your opinion?

Die quietly, I expect. Or board themselves into their houses.

This rebranding of CEV to include self inflicted illness and general hypochondria is very troubling. The true number of CEV who are of working age is a tiny, tiny proportion of society (fewer than 2%)

I agree.

@Porcupineintherough

The true number of CEV who are of working age are a tiny, tiny proportion of society (fewer than 2%)

So still over a million people then @SheikhMaraca. And what should this million do over the next few weeks in your opinion? Carry on as normal?

They can do what they like and feel is right for them. So should we.

Yep I am cev and work full time. I am under no illusion that anyone gives a shit.

@MyrtlethePurpleTurtle because we have much fewer ICU beds than the rest of europe. Life saving surgery can't be carried out if ICU's are filled with covid patients. It takes much longer to train ICU nurses and medics. Equipment is finite, only so many vents or haemofilters.

@Porcupineintherough

The true number of CEV who are of working age are a tiny, tiny proportion of society (fewer than 2%)

So still over a million people then @SheikhMaraca. And what should this million do over the next few weeks in your opinion? Carry on as normal?

I think they should accept that the environment has changed to be a lot less forgiving to them, and change their behaviour accordingly.

Either accept the risk and crack on, or not and stay at home for the duration. It’s their choice to make.

Removing choices from the vast, vast majority of society as an alternative just isn’t a reasonable response.

@RoyalFamilyFan

Yep I am cev and work full time. I am under no illusion that anyone gives a shit.

I absolutely ‘give a shit’, I just think it’s your own responsibility to make changes to your behaviour.

Is that really so outlandish?

How can they "do as they like" though @Lifeisnteasy? Not much of a choice, is it? Go to work and risk COVID (and therefore your life) or quit your job - and what, exactly?

@noblegiraffe

And what should this million do over the next few weeks in your opinion?

Die quietly, I expect. Or board themselves into their houses.

Fuck that

Some of us have school-age kids remember.

It is heartening though that we have vaccines, boosters and the prospect of new life saving treatments.

I have no plans to roll over & die just yet.

@SheikhMaraca I am on a low income. I have no choice. I have to work. We are not all wealthy and can just choose not to work.
I would also have to move out as I have teenagers. Or should they just stay at home as well?
In reality, you don't give a shit. You are asking people to do the impossible.

Err, a lot of CEV people are EV to everything else as well as Covid. Many already take precautions in everyday life. Obviously when a virus is so widespread, there is more potential for problems. But the fact is, you're as much at risk from your kids bringing home a stomach bug or any other grotty virus; from the guy on the tube with a cough; from the uncleaned surfaces; and so on...

@Jourdain11 maybe dont tell others what their medical risks are when you know nothing about them?

@Porcupineintherough

How can they "do as they like" though *@Lifeisnteasy*? Not much of a choice, is it? Go to work and risk COVID (and therefore your life) or quit your job - and what, exactly?

It’s hardly ‘risking their lives’. They’re not frontline troops. Of course covid carries increased risk for them, but they have at least been offered (and taken, if they have any sense) 2 jabs and a booster. If they contracted covid, death is still very unlikely.

People don’t see an issue with healthcare workers who don’t want the vaccine having to choose between their job and what they see as their health, so why should this be any different? Life can be unfair, just like for the healthy people who have had to close businesses to protect people they don’t know.

Herd immunity anyone?

@Lifeisnteasy there are people with cev working in hospitals, in pharmacies and in nurseries.

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@Lifeisnteasy there are people with cev working in hospitals, in pharmacies and in nurseries.[/quote]
Perhaps working in the germiest workplaces out there isn’t a good decision, regardless of covid?

@Jourdain11

Err, a lot of CEV people are EV to everything else as well as Covid. Many already take precautions in everyday life. Obviously when a virus is so widespread, there is more potential for problems. But the fact is, you're as much at risk from your kids bringing home a stomach bug or any other grotty virus; from the guy on the tube with a cough; from the uncleaned surfaces; and so on...

And many of us were leading normal, productive lives before covid, thanks.

Asthma, diabetes, obesity, and learning difficulties are not self inflicted Sheikh

Wrt Obesity and type 2 diabetes. Lifestyle is very often not a choice. And it's just one of several causes of type 2 diabetes. There is, for example, also a strong genetic element for some people.

A major contributory factor for obesity and, separately type 2 diabetes, is stress. Stress causes inflammation. Which leads me to 'lifestyle'...

Lifestyle: - Poverty, mental ill health, physical health conditions including reduced mobility and/or pain, homelessness and housing insecurity (incidentally for those concerned about school closures, poor housing impacts heavily on a child's life chances).

As for definition of vulnerable. It depends what you're looking at, and there's a difference between risk of catching it and risk of dying from it. Globally the conditions with the very highest Covid death rates after dementia include cardiac issues, diabetes, and Down's Syndrome.

FYI, Down's and other learning disabilities, asthma too, are not self inflicted.

@Blubells the A level lesson could be done at different time or be pre recorded. However this was more about the period last January when schools were closed. Lessons were virtual and she received more education than when people were self isolating or ill left right and centre.
So my feeling is that if we are going to have a shitshow when they go back virtual lessons would be a better option for year 12 and 13.
Admit tech can be an issue but already they use Googke Classroom constantly so any kids euthout tech would have been spotted and hopefully signposted for support.
O and thank you @noblegiraffe. Significant mitigation or reduced content would be lovely but you are not going to get that from this Govt.