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How can they still say nothing?

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Purplegurple · 29/12/2021 19:07

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

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Blubells · 30/12/2021 17:53

They are not reducing content

Yes they are! Quite significantly actually.

Lifeisnteasy · 30/12/2021 17:54

There was a case a couple of days ago. A woman with a CV husband lost her job because she took the understandable decision to keep her loved one safe.

Ooooo this is a bit disingenuous.

amp.theguardian.com/money/2021/dec/29/uk-worker-who-stayed-home-over-fear-of-covid-fails-in-discrimination-claim

We don’t know any details regarding her husband’s health, but you seem convinced she was in the right. Do you support anyone and everyone to stay at home and not go to their workplace, while receiving their pay? Just because they have a ‘fear’ of the virus?

Tealightsandd · 30/12/2021 17:54

Yep France is way below the UK wrt death rate. Btw per million UK is also above Italy. Significantly so.

www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

@Zeebrazebra I'm so grateful to you and your colleagues but also so sorry for everything you're all going through Flowers

MarshaBradyo · 30/12/2021 17:55

Excess deaths is the better measure due to reporting.

Northsoutheastwest76 · 30/12/2021 17:56

@Blubells of course but if you have 1 adult and two classes you can't leave a year 7 class unsupervised.
Plus I would rather my dd not be taught physics by a PE teacher for example. Well she wouldn't be taught.
Personally I would and indeed she would prefer virtual lessons with well teachers.

Madhairday · 30/12/2021 17:56

@trappedsincesundaymorn

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So what is your actual point then?

Ok I'll spell it out for you. 700 excess deaths from covid is not ok, but 3000 excess deaths from something else isn't worth a mention because it seems that there is now some sort of hierarchy of death. Death from anything other than covid is acceptable no matter how high the numbers.

You're reading that data wrong, as a pp said. Excess winter deaths are not the same as excess deaths - they compare with the summer so are always excess. That year the excess was larger, but nowhere says that 50,000 people died of flu that season - just that flu contributed to the total. One of the issues is that flu is often counted in with pneumonia for these purposes, and they are very different things, and pneumonia occurs as a result of numerous complex issues. Here's the ONS table for influenza/pneumonia deaths in 2018.
How can they still say nothing?
Tealightsandd · 30/12/2021 17:57

@Lifeisnteasy

There was a case a couple of days ago. A woman with a CV husband lost her job because she took the understandable decision to keep her loved one safe.

Ooooo this is a bit disingenuous.

amp.theguardian.com/money/2021/dec/29/uk-worker-who-stayed-home-over-fear-of-covid-fails-in-discrimination-claim

We don’t know any details regarding her husband’s health, but you seem convinced she was in the right. Do you support anyone and everyone to stay at home and not go to their workplace, while receiving their pay? Just because they have a ‘fear’ of the virus?

The article I read stated that her husband was vulnerable.

Do you support anyone and everyone to stay at home and not go to their workplace, while receiving their pay?

A poster claimed that everyone who wanted to protect themselves was able to do so. Clearly this is not the case (or at least not if you include protecting your loved ones).

Northsoutheastwest76 · 30/12/2021 17:57

For GCSE yes but we haven't been advised of any for her A Level subjects.

Jooox · 30/12/2021 18:00

Number of cases is irrelevant. Same as for flu and colds.

Hospitalisations and deaths are important and they’re clear that the vast majority of those are unvaccinated. Therefore, the guidance is get vaccinated and boosted. What more can they do?

If you’re worried about catching it, use common sense and avoid gatherings etc. You don’t need to be told what to do.

The scientists have been clear that this will be with us forever and is another version of the flu in that the vulnerable are at risk and will need annual vaccinations. I do wonder though if some people will be clinging on to dramatising this as a way of coping with their own anxieties.

Lifeisnteasy · 30/12/2021 18:00

@Tealightsandd a huge number of people are ‘vulnerable’, including me. The vulnerable group includes people with very high BMIs, asthma, diabetes, learning difficulties… if all their families were allowed to stay home we would have no workforce.

Tealightsandd · 30/12/2021 18:01

Do you support anyone and everyone to stay at home and not go to their workplace

No. I support taking mitigation measures during a pandemic against a (potentially lab escaped) highly contagious disease that kills many.

Masks, vaccine passes, HEPA filters, etc.

Btw talking of people being unable to/not working....Do you support paying people ongoing disability benefits (due to Long Covid) instead of short-term self isolation/sickness?

Lifeisnteasy · 30/12/2021 18:02

I do wonder though if some people will be clinging on to dramatising this as a way of coping with their own anxieties.

That’s also my suspicion - it’s been a great tool for people who are antisocial, work shy, hypochondriacs and Facebook community group busybodies.

Lifeisnteasy · 30/12/2021 18:05

highly contagious disease that kills many.

Flu is a highly contagious disease that kills many. Why didn’t you call for restrictions against flu? Unless you did, of course…

Re long covid (and I don’t know why I give such strong answers when the questions I ask on here barely get answered), yes I am in favour of disability benefits. I don’t believe long covid affects enough people to such an extent that it is better economically to implement further restrictions.

Blubells · 30/12/2021 18:05

Personally I would and indeed she would prefer virtual lessons with well teachers.

Great if you have the set up for virtual lessons at home. Not all students do unfortunately.

But how would it avoid the problem of having only one teacher for two classes?

Tealightsandd · 30/12/2021 18:05

Number of cases is irrelevant.

Nope. Impact on society. Mass staff sickness all at the same time is a bit of a problem. Add in a the significant minority of sick long-term with Long Covid disability, and in fact number of cases absolutely are relevant.

Same as for flu and colds.

Wrong again. SARS-CoV-2 is a new disease. And one that is quite likely escaped from a lab (and possibly human modified). New (and potentially unnatural) means not like a cold or flu. In the future, maybe, but not yet.

Northsoutheastwest76 · 30/12/2021 18:05

All I can find is some relaxion on required practicals which they managed to complete anyway.
Please point me to anything else for A Levels Physics, Chemistry. Biology and Maths.
@Blubells
Please show me this significantly reduced content.

Birthday552 · 30/12/2021 18:05

OP fancy expecting leadership from our PM?!?!

The apathetic, self serving comments and the ‘ decide for yourself’ mentality shown in this thread, is the reason we have this absolute joke of PM already in my opinion.

JohnHuffam1812 · 30/12/2021 18:06

I don't want the exams to be cancelled but I expect they will.

As far as I know content reductions have been promised but of course, they haven't specified what in a lot of cases

RoyalFamilyFan · 30/12/2021 18:06

@Lifeisnteasy

I do wonder though if some people will be clinging on to dramatising this as a way of coping with their own anxieties.

That’s also my suspicion - it’s been a great tool for people who are antisocial, work shy, hypochondriacs and Facebook community group busybodies.

That is a seriously hateful comment.
Blubells · 30/12/2021 18:06

For GCSE yes but we haven't been advised of any for her A Level subjects.

Our school has advised the year 13s that the A level exam content will be reduced this summer.

treeflowercat · 30/12/2021 18:07

@Tealightsandd

Do you support anyone and everyone to stay at home and not go to their workplace

No. I support taking mitigation measures during a pandemic against a (potentially lab escaped) highly contagious disease that kills many.

Masks, vaccine passes, HEPA filters, etc.

Btw talking of people being unable to/not working....Do you support paying people ongoing disability benefits (due to Long Covid) instead of short-term self isolation/sickness?

Do you genuinely think more masks, more isolation, Hepa filters and the like will push the Omicron R below 1, and lead to Covid being squeezed to tiiny numbers?
Lifeisnteasy · 30/12/2021 18:07

@RoyalFamilyFan I don’t think everyone falls into one of those categories, or even most people.

But I know a few people who are perfectly healthy who had form for being work shy who are really pushing the ‘work from home, it’s so dangerous’ narrative.

And you can’t deny some local busybodies have been absolutely glowing at the prospect of ‘policing’ their neighbours.

Northsoutheastwest76 · 30/12/2021 18:08

O and some information on the focus of the exams by Feb 2022.

Zeebrazebra · 30/12/2021 18:09

Thanks @Tealightsandd. People seem fixated with life getting back to normal in the outside world whilst in the health care system it's nowhere near. We've not got staff with covid chomping at the bit to return early with covid. Most are absolutely floored by it probably because they are incredibly run down physically.

Blubells · 30/12/2021 18:10

Please show me this significantly reduced content.

Sorry I don't have those details either, but it is my understanding that the content for A level exams will be reduced. Pupils will be given before the exams I guess?

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