How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

@Guacamole001

They should stop daily cases reports and concentrate on hospital admissions and deaths instead.

Alternatively, not ditch case reports, but include the ration of hopitalisation to cases - from some of the comments above, many people are not making that link. I'd also be keen to see (on a regular basis) the % of test results that are positive each day - the number alone is a bit meaningless.

ratio not ration!

Kathlees Stock resigned.

She's also got a public persona and has been in the media since. I don't call that cancelled.

Actual Milo Yiannopololous got cancelled. Book cancelled, tours cancelled, no longer on any media apart from his own twitter.

That's cancelled.

We will know in a couple of weeks what the impact of the policy of no extra restrictions was, I suspect many more deaths caused by the virus and the pressure on the NHS meaning other acute illnesses and accidents can't be treated quickly enough. But it seems that collectively as a country we've all agreed this is an acceptable price to pay so we can still go to the pub. My relatives in other countries (with much fewer cases) think the UK has lost the plot, they are right

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I wouldn’t bother trying to engage with @JohnHuffam1812; they exist only to drag every thread down to their level of banal argument.

(Re: schools)
But what we are now talking about is managing staff absences. All businesses and settings need to make such plans.

Hard for schools to manage staff absences when there aren't enough supply teachers to go around and they have little budget to pay them anyway.

@JohnHuffam1812

Kathlees Stock resigned.

She's also got a public persona and has been in the media since. I don't call that cancelled.

Actual Milo Yiannopololous got cancelled. Book cancelled, tours cancelled, no longer on any media apart from his own twitter.

That's cancelled.

Kathleen Stock was driven from her job though.

@Blinky21

We will know in a couple of weeks what the impact of the policy of no extra restrictions was, I suspect many more deaths caused by the virus and the pressure on the NHS meaning other acute illnesses and accidents can't be treated quickly enough. But it seems that collectively as a country we've all agreed this is an acceptable price to pay so we can still go to the pub. My relatives in other countries (with much fewer cases) think the UK has lost the plot, they are right

Don’t they have their own omicron cases / growth to deal with?

Even zero Covid places to this point now do

Where are they?

[quote BrightYellowDaffodil]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I wouldn’t bother trying to engage with @JohnHuffam1812; they exist only to drag every thread down to their level of banal argument.[/quote]
Am really glad you said that 🙃

@JohnHuffam1812

Kathlees Stock resigned.

She's also got a public persona and has been in the media since. I don't call that cancelled.

Actual Milo Yiannopololous got cancelled. Book cancelled, tours cancelled, no longer on any media apart from his own twitter.

That's cancelled.

So, you have seen examples of people being cancelled?

She got death threats. She wasn’t given any choice.

I think its going to be rampant in schools after no restrictions.

Still waiting to know why @mellongoose lied about teaching unions.

On a previous note why is it down to the government to advise schools what plans are? Schools don't have the time or resources to plan for every contingency for one.

Second, the government seem to give schools instructions on how to operate in non pandemic times, threatening failed ofsted inspections if desired outcomes aren't achieved in certain ways.

How come they can't tell schools what might happen in certain scenarios now?

Because they are fucking useless that's why.

[quote BrightYellowDaffodil]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I wouldn’t bother trying to engage with @JohnHuffam1812; they exist only to drag every thread down to their level of banal argument.[/quote]
Ahhh thanks for the tip! I’ll try not be drawn in again

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

And she was backed by her vice chancellor and peers.

I'm not condoning death threats.

She's been in the media since too.

This is not cancelled.

But we digress, I'm not letting this thread get into that batshittery

@BrightYellowDaffodil

Sorry but I was exactly right about @mellongoose she did lie about what teaching unions asked for and made it out to be that they were putting the needs of their members before the most vulnerable students.

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

And she was backed by her vice chancellor and peers.

I'm not condoning death threats.

She's been in the media since too.

This is not cancelled.

But we digress, I'm not letting this thread get into that batshittery[/quote]
You said
Still not been given good examples of someone who has been cancelled.

And then preceded to give me a “better” example of someone being cancelled.

Sorry, @BrightYellowDaffodil, I’m out now! Haha

One last time, then I have things to do.

Still waiting to know why @mellongoose lied about teaching unions.

The links point to demands from the NEU to ensure teachers were vaccinated ahead of some of the age groups. Ie 24 year old teacher ahead of a 50 year old. This is not a lie. The calls went in for weeks and were much in the news. There was a lot of pressure on Government to give in to this or schools would be forced to close again.

Thankfully the Government does not make these decisions. The JCVI stood firm on the age categories.

Anyway, I really do have to go now so am afraid I won't see your reply until this evening. If your interpretation of what happened is different, that's fine. However, the way I have described it is how most people here saw it play out. And they didn't like it.

@mellongoose no it said as part of the phase 2, especially as teachers were part of a vulnerable group and more exposed.

This did not agree with your first point that said the NEU demanded they were vaccinated before 'the old and vulnerable in society".

You lied

Or to put it another way. Front line teachers were not being vaccinated whilst perfectly healthy people in their 50s and 40s who were working from home were.

Which group was more at risk?

@mellongoose Your first post about the NEU mentioned the vulnerable and elderly. They were already vaccinated by phase 1. The calls for priority vaccines for teachers in phase 2 looks like it should have happened. You only need to look at the infection rates of teachers; one of the highest in the working age population. Only NHS and care staff were worse (and they did get priority vaccines). At some points the infection rate of teachers was worse than NHS/care. The ridiculous part was NHS office /admin workers WFH got vaccinated while teachers didn't.

@Hercisback agreed.

Perfectly healthy office workers got vaccinated in phase 2 but not teachers.

Almost every other European country had teachers and front line education staff as priority for their second phase.

Blinky21
We will know in a couple of weeks what the impact of the policy of no extra restrictions was, I suspect many more deaths caused by the virus and the pressure on the NHS meaning other acute illnesses and accidents can't be treated quickly enough. But it seems that collectively as a country we've all agreed this is an acceptable price to pay so we can still go to the pub. My relatives in other countries (with much fewer cases) think the UK has lost the plot, they are right

But it isn’t just about people going to the pub. It is everything else from weddings and funerals to theatre and football matches to going to your local cafe for a coffee at the table to watch the world go by.
The impact not just the financial side. I think it will have a greater death rate long term if they continue to close these places.
I can only go by the impact on Dh of just the first lockdown. I don’t think he will ever work again and even though he has cancer and diabetes, The effects of that first lockdown was the thing that made us think that he had gone down hill so much that he wasn’t going to live for many more years.
A lot of these venues employed older people and not going out, talking to people, walking around I think kept people fit in both body and mind

That is just the effect locking down has on one section of hospitality

@JohnHuffam1812

Or to put it another way. Front line teachers were not being vaccinated whilst perfectly healthy people in their 50s and 40s who were working from home were.

Which group was more at risk?

The people who were 40 and 50 were more at risk of severe covid if they caught it than 20 something teachers.

The rate at which they were vaccinating people back then meant that the half million or so teachers in the UK could have all been jabbed in little more than a day. That would hardly have mattered to push other groups back by that time frame but would have made a great difference to schools.

But they were far less likely to that someone who was working with kids in schools. Which is why every other European country had teachers as part of the 2nd phase priority groups.

Teachers were at higher risk

Teachers were at a higher risk of contracting covid.
Over 40’s we’re at a higher risk of serious health implications if they did catch it.
It was right over 40s were vaccinated first.
The whole thing was about saving lives.