Page 11 | How can they still say nothing?

Purplegurple · 2021-12-29T19:07:17+00:00

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

mellongoose · 29/12/2021 22:43

@herecomesthsun it is my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with, of course) that vulnerable children are better off in a disrupted and short staffed school than in a chaotic and abusive home.

This is not a slur on the abilities of teachers or schools, quite the opposite actually.

Cherrytart23 · 29/12/2021 22:44

What would you like him to say? Surely he has mumbled on repeating himself for long enough.

The numbers of people catching it are high death numbers are low.

Siameasy · 29/12/2021 22:45

So what.

The obsessive asymptomatic testing will have to stop as having otherwise well people isolating is not sustainable. My workplace actually advised us against it.

Those who tested every day in the run up to Christmas and -surprise surprise- found Covid simply ruined their own Christmases. In many cases you didn’t necessarily have to test and you weren’t legally obliged to, you chose to due to your own anxieties and to be morally superior. I bet Boris didn’t bother. I suspect people will look back and feel bitter that they missed seeing family.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 29/12/2021 22:46

@Porcupineintherough

Only if deaths are instantaneous *@Starcup*. You'd need to marry up today's infection figures with deaths in the next 5-28 days (I guess you could assume a normal distribution) to work out your likelihood of dying. I guess it will also depend on whether the seriously ill (all diseases) can access treatment .

It does seem that omicron is milder which is good. It's going to have to be very mild indeed if the nhs is going to cope.

Ok, so two weeks ago, cases were 70,000 a day. 56 out of those 70,000 is 0.02%

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:47

@mellongoose Of course we would want all children, and especially vulnerable ones, to be in schools which are operating as normal.

If schools can't operate as normal, because too many teachers are off sick, then maybe all the children can't be in school.

I'm sure some priority will be given to vulnerable children - schools will be very aware of that issue.

And it is admirable, of course, that schools do so much of the work of social services for them.

But service as usual may not be possible in the few months ahead.

So maybe there needs to be some planning around that.

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:48

Change the record. You want schools closed as you have all the way through this.

Obvious lie, hamsterarse. Other people are capable of reading my posts correctly, you are too, you just choose not to and lie about me instead.

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:49

@Siameasy

So what.

The obsessive asymptomatic testing will have to stop as having otherwise well people isolating is not sustainable. My workplace actually advised us against it.

Those who tested every day in the run up to Christmas and -surprise surprise- found Covid simply ruined their own Christmases. In many cases you didn’t necessarily have to test and you weren’t legally obliged to, you chose to due to your own anxieties and to be morally superior. I bet Boris didn’t bother. I suspect people will look back and feel bitter that they missed seeing family.

People didn't want to give covid to their vulnerable family members.

That is a pretty sensible position.

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:49

So make do. Just get the kids in. Their welfare is more important than the NEU's demands, wouldn't you agree?

I'm not a member of the NEU, what are they demanding?

You do understand that there are safeguarding reasons why schools, in some circumstances, cannot simply 'get the kids in'?

Maybe you don't.

sst1234 · 29/12/2021 22:50

The answer is not restrictions. It’s to cut self isolation to 0 days for asymptomatic people and to 5 days, like the US, for others. Treating it like a mild flu is the right response. That how it will go from pandemic to endemic. People need to be in work rather than self isolating with no symptoms.

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:51

Why does it bother you with that people don’t want an announcement right now.

You should have put 'some people' in that sentence, Marsha, because it's obvious that others disagree with you.

chocolateisavegetable · 29/12/2021 22:51

[quote mellongoose]@herecomesthsun it is my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with, of course) that vulnerable children are better off in a disrupted and short staffed school than in a chaotic and abusive home.

This is not a slur on the abilities of teachers or schools, quite the opposite actually. [/quote]
The trouble is, that there comes a point where a school really isn't safe enough. We got to a point where we couldn't get any supply at all, we had several teachers off, and so TAs like me were having to cover some classes (bear in mind TAs are not qualified teachers - we're amazing but don't have the same training) and the Head was having to cover a class. We had children who just don't cope well with school and yet we had no member of SLT available to step in when one of these children kicked off (deputy head and SENCO isolating). We all worked our absolute socks off to keep all of the children safe, but we were very, very close to not being able to do it. None of us wanted to close, but we did feel frustrated that the long-promised CO2 monitors hadn't arrived for example.

sst1234 · 29/12/2021 22:52

@Siameasy

So what.

The obsessive asymptomatic testing will have to stop as having otherwise well people isolating is not sustainable. My workplace actually advised us against it.

Those who tested every day in the run up to Christmas and -surprise surprise- found Covid simply ruined their own Christmases. In many cases you didn’t necessarily have to test and you weren’t legally obliged to, you chose to due to your own anxieties and to be morally superior. I bet Boris didn’t bother. I suspect people will look back and feel bitter that they missed seeing family.

Spot on. If you are hysterical enough to test test test to protect vulnerable family members from a cold, then you are the problem, not the government, not the even the virus.

rrhuth · 29/12/2021 22:52

Ok, so two weeks ago, cases were 70,000 a day. 56 out of those 70,000 is 0.02%

Also England has reported no deaths since 24th December, that number is incomplete and likely to be pretty big tomorrow when the catch up report is made.

MarshaBradyo · 29/12/2021 22:54

@noblegiraffe

Why does it bother you with that people don’t want an announcement right now.

You should have put 'some people' in that sentence, Marsha, because it's obvious that others disagree with you.

Yeh so why does it bother you if I and others don’t?

You want an announcement, great good for you. I couldn’t care less.

sst1234 · 29/12/2021 22:54

@rrhuth

Ok, so two weeks ago, cases were 70,000 a day. 56 out of those 70,000 is 0.02%

Also England has reported no deaths since 24th December, that number is incomplete and likely to be pretty big tomorrow when the catch up report is made.

How big is too big and how small is small enough to get back to normal?

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 29/12/2021 22:54

And going back to my previous point, that’s 0.02% of people dying after testing positive, not necessarily dying of covid.
And as omicron is very contagious, it is only going to obfuscate the numbers even more.

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:55

If you are hysterical enough to test test test to protect vulnerable family members from a cold, then you are the problem

'Hysterical'

And if you've managed to get this far through the pandemic without understanding why vulnerable family members might need protecting from covid, then you're not very bright, are you?

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:58

It's not so much an announcement, I need, Marsha, rather, a plan.

If you can happily live without one, then I guess lucky you.

MasterBeth · 29/12/2021 22:58

@SunshineCake1

Surely by now people can make their own decisions to keep themselves safe ?

How can I possibly “keep myself safe” when there are huge numbers of people with the virus and numbers are growing exponentially??

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:59

@MarshaBradyo

Well some people, fortunately, do care about education and how it is organised and

if you don't care less, why are you posting inanities on here at this time of night?

MarshaBradyo · 29/12/2021 23:00

@noblegiraffe

It's not so much an announcement, I need, Marsha, rather, a plan.

If you can happily live without one, then I guess lucky you.

A plan…

Ok if it would make you feel better.

I’m following data updates as I can from scientists / experts - seeing what they say. I’m fine with that. You go with your approach, whatever.

Siameasy · 29/12/2021 23:00

No herecomesthesun most on here were panicking and classing all triple jabbed relatives over 65 as “vulnerable” when statistically such people were still very unlikely to become seriously ill.

They will look back and realise it was a huge over reaction, they were poor risk assessors and they missed two Christmases in a row, the second due to being neurotic but hey at least they got a badge for being morally superior

rrhuth · 29/12/2021 23:00

I suppose you could wash your hands for two verses of happy birthday @MasterBeth, that should do it.

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 23:01

Yes, I know, Marsha, you listen to the radio. Others are living it.

2022newyear · 29/12/2021 23:01

Yeh just get in with normal life now
It's just a cold, very old or unwell people always die or colds or the flu, we just didn't know the numbers. Nothing to see here

Re-open schools to stop mothers and childrens wellbeing being badly impacted

Teachers get colds all the time. Those that are unwell should maybe wfh and do planning or something else until it blows over by end of jan

No big deal