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How can they still say nothing?

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Purplegurple · 29/12/2021 19:07

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

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MarshaBradyo · 29/12/2021 22:18

@noblegiraffe

I don’t need to hear anything right now no.

That’s what I mean by sheltered.

This coming shitshow is apparently of no concern to you.

So long as school is open, right?

Lol at your fixation.

I’ve always listened to experts and have continuously been interested in that. Any scientific programme on radio with experts - good

I don’t need an announcement right now.

Move on to something else if you can.

hamstersarse · 29/12/2021 22:21

@noblegiraffe

So long as schools are closed eh

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:22

I don’t want schools to close, hamsterarse, and if you don’t either, you should also be interested in the teacher supply issue.

cantkeepawayforever · 29/12/2021 22:24

Kids in school, even if not with their usual teacher, are much better off.

I'm not sure. The autistic pupil, whose 1:1 has been pulled off to cover another class (teacher off, no supply available) and who is now in a class with an unfamiliar adult, and where the class is chaotic because that unfamiliar adult is normally a lunchtime supervisor? That autistic child has two safe places - home and school. School is not their familiar safe place, without the usual support and without a qualified teacher who knows them.

So their behaviour deteriorates even more than that of the rest of the class, and they have a meltdown and lash out. That classroom is a lot less safe for all the children now.

Unfortunately, the Head and SENDCo are both off with Covid.

Are all those concerned in that situation genuinely "much better off" in school? It's not a rare situation, either - it is not remotely uncommon to have at least 1 child with an ASD diagnosis in every primary class, and even those who manage very well in mainstream art normal times will find things much more difficult in periods of chaotic staffing.

I use the ASD example because it is pertinent to me, but children with a whole range of SEN will similarly struggle and may not be better off in a chaotic understaffed school.

Yes, children from abusive home backgrounds will have school as a 'safe haven', and schools are a key part of safeguarding, but whether they are doing these roles really well - or at all - in periods of chaotic understaffing with few teachers who know the children present.

rrhuth · 29/12/2021 22:24

I have never read @noblegiraffe post anything other than they want schools open.

I am beyond sick of parents who object to measures in schools meaning schools have more problems. Those anti-scientific parents are a big part of why schools keep having problems.

Sowhatifiam · 29/12/2021 22:24

Any teachers parping on about substandard supply teachers or cover need to think very carefully about the kids for whom school is the only anchor they have. Keep. Schools. Open. Whatever it takes. I'm sorry, teachers, but you will have to suck it up, just like the rest of us

Jesus wept. Substandard teaching is good enough, eh? Just how,safe do you think vulnerable children are in classrooms with substandard teachers?

As for ‘suck it up’, there is a crisis in our schools. Happening right now. Expecting staff, some of who, are vulnerable or who live with vulnerable,people, to suck it up rather than actually look at the wider issues our schools are facing is about as short-sighted as it gets. Your children are very much going to get the education they deserve.

noblegiraffe · 29/12/2021 22:25

Lol at your fixation.

Oh to have the luxury of not having to care.

hamstersarse · 29/12/2021 22:26

@noblegiraffe

I don’t want schools to close, hamsterarse, and if you don’t either, you should also be interested in the teacher supply issue.
Yeah yeah

Change the record. You want schools closed as you have all the way through this. I know you’ll say “no I wanted schools open” but what you’d do is say “for schools to be open, there needs to be “ which essentially meant you wanted schools closed

Just get on with it like every other industry is. It will be the same problem everywhere….for a short period of time.

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:26

@mellongoose

Thank goodness Boris is holding firm for now. Unless we see evidence for the need for further restrictions, I will not support them.

It is imperative that the government balances other needs in society as well as covid.

Any teachers parping on about substandard supply teachers or cover need to think very carefully about the kids for whom school is the only anchor they have. Keep. Schools. Open. Whatever it takes. I'm sorry, teachers, but you will have to suck it up, just like the rest of us.

Kids in school, even if not with their usual teacher, are much better off.

(I'm not a teacher)

You really have not a clue.

There need to be teachers in place in school for schools to run. No teachers, no classes. They don't happen by themselves.

If there aren't enough teachers in school for all the classes to run as normal, then, in secondary schools, we are probably looking at exam classes in school, plus year 7s who are too young to be home on their own, and some form of independent or blended learning for the other children.

It's not ideal, but I'm sure the schools will do the very best they can.

Starcup · 29/12/2021 22:27

@Guacamole001

They should stop daily cases reports and concentrate on hospital admissions and deaths instead.
Not really. If 130,000 people a day catch it and 57 deaths are reported, that’s like 0.0000000000000001% chance of dying.
Porcupineintherough · 29/12/2021 22:27

How can you be careful of who you mix with if you go to school, or work in a supermarket, or a hospital or drive a bus @Kennykenkencat?

MarshaBradyo · 29/12/2021 22:27

@noblegiraffe

Lol at your fixation.

Oh to have the luxury of not having to care.

Who says I don’t care? I do hugely about many impacts obviously. Different to your view probably but so what.

Why does it bother you with that people don’t want an announcement right now.

You seem put out by others feeling differently to you. Why?

cantkeepawayforever · 29/12/2021 22:28

Change the record. You want schools closed as you have all the way through this. I know you’ll say “no I wanted schools open” but what you’d do is say “for schools to be open, there needs to be “ which essentially meant you wanted schools closed

Um - can you find the relevant post and quote it? Noble has, as far as I can remember, always been in favour of measures that keep schools open safely - ie that keep both pupils and teachers well - like ventilation?

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:29

I think @noblegiraffe has been very consistent and actually quite brave in explaining the problems in education through the pandemic. Thank you for persisting in the face of ignorance and self interest. For the sake of the children.

Bellringer · 29/12/2021 22:30

These people haven't got a clue, but worse they don't care

hamstersarse · 29/12/2021 22:30

@herecomesthsun

I think *@noblegiraffe* has been very consistent and actually quite brave in explaining the problems in education through the pandemic. Thank you for persisting in the face of ignorance and self interest. For the sake of the children.
For the sake of teachers, not children
Porcupineintherough · 29/12/2021 22:31

Only if deaths are instantaneous @Starcup. You'd need to marry up today's infection figures with deaths in the next 5-28 days (I guess you could assume a normal distribution) to work out your likelihood of dying. I guess it will also depend on whether the seriously ill (all diseases) can access treatment .

It does seem that omicron is milder which is good. It's going to have to be very mild indeed if the nhs is going to cope.

DrBlackbird · 29/12/2021 22:33

@SunshineCake1

Surely by now people can make their own decisions to keep themselves safe ?
I think the numbers speak for themselves? The answer is pretty clearly ‘no’ people cannot make their own decisions to keep themselves safe given that your decision and others decisions impact on my health.

Plus, the lack of leadership from our MIA PM. For those saying it’s mild. Delta is still around and most early omicron cases were in the young and healthy. All along scientists were saying we have to wait to see what happens when it spreads into older age categories. It is one huge game they’re playing with our health and lives.

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:35

@hamstersarse We need this issue addressed - for the children's sake. (I am a parent and not a teacher). I want my kids' education organised properly and am pretty concerned about the next term.

Pretending that there won't be a lot of disruption is just senseless.

And there is no point attacking teachers on here. The teachers in my kids' schools have been sterling throughout the pandemic. It is the D of E and the politicians at the top who have made bad decisions and left exams in a mess etc., not the teachers.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 29/12/2021 22:37

He can't really win either way. If he locks down people will be furious. If he doesn't lock down or at least implement further restrictions people will accuse him of giving a shit.

"Pleasing some if the people some of the time is one thing. Pleasing all of the people all of the time is an impossibility."
Now please believe me 'm no friend or advocate of Boris Johnson which is probably just as well as I dont imagine that he's particularly in love with me either. Grin. However ill always come to someone's defense when needed.

mellongoose · 29/12/2021 22:37

@noblegiraffe

Any teachers parping on about substandard supply teachers or cover need to think very carefully about the kids for whom school is the only anchor they have. Keep. Schools. Open. Whatever it takes. I'm sorry, teachers, but you will have to suck it up, just like the rest of us.

Kids in school, even if not with their usual teacher, are much better off.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about do you? What teacher? What supply? You know the government is begging ex teachers to come back and they've basically laughed and said no?

It's not about 'substandard' supply teachers, it's about there being no supply teachers.

So make do. Just get the kids in. Their welfare is more important than the NEU's demands, wouldn't you agree?
mellongoose · 29/12/2021 22:39

@herecomesthsun why would there be NO teachers?! How ridiculous.

chocolateisavegetable · 29/12/2021 22:39

Surely it is obvious that if schools are safer, it benefits the children as well as the teachers? Children are less likely to be very ill with Covid, but they benefit from having their usual staff, and their usual staff being healthy and not having the additional stress of worrying about Covid (and this includes staff not worrying about infecting children).

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:40

[quote mellongoose]@herecomesthsun why would there be NO teachers?! How ridiculous. [/quote]
If there are not enough teachers to teach all the classes, then there will have to be fewer classes.

You think classes teach themselves?

How ridiculous,

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2021 22:41

@mellongoose You don't have much idea how schools work, do you?