No new measures in England before New Year

[Jourdain11]

Has just been announced by the Health Secretary and reported across BBC etc.

kickupafuss

Great for all those people who want to go out drinking for New Year. But I want to be sure there will be enough teachers in school to teach my children in January.

You have two hopes and Bob's not home.

England is riding the wave, that is what we are doing!

On power etc I’m glad we switched to MPs voting on any new restrictions

@rrhuth Untrue, because ultimately a BB rebellion didn't prevent the government from passing legislation. Even if a confidence vote took place, he'd be very unlikely to lose it.

FWIW I reckon most people would forego NYE, if business could be financially compensated, for the sake of schools being back and the NHS coping in January.

@FrippEnos I didn't say it like anything
I asked a genuine question, I don't have a school age child and am out of touch with the current mood of teachers.

Personally I couldn't care less about hospitality as I can happily love without it, yet appreciate it's a part of the economy and peoples livelihoods.

Alcohol is so detrimental to mental and physical health - going out out doesn't appeal to me and service in restaurants has never been so awful around here.

The only thing I am desperate to not be closed are gyms and sports clubs (along side schools)
We should focus on keeping open the businesses that help keep us healthy, to protect the nhs that way.

there’s very few reasons for us to need to leave home, given that we can get supermarket and takeaway deliveries.

Happily for you, there are plenty of people, often on minimum wage and working in insecure conditions, who have no choice but to leave home to pander to your needs, thus enabling you to sit smugly at home, posting on MN about how it's all such a doddle.

If anyone believes that Boris Johnson is making decisions in their best interests then they need to give their head a big MN wobble. Johnson is on the ropes trying to save his own skin after recent events, slumps in the opinion polls and pressure from looney backbenchers. Boris Johnson only cares about Boris Johnson.

The only thing I am desperate to not be closed are gyms and sports clubs (along side schools)
We should focus on keeping open the businesses that help keep us healthy, to protect the nhs that way.

What you really mean is, focus on the things that you personally care about.

[quote Jourdain11]@rrhuth Untrue, because ultimately a BB rebellion didn't prevent the government from passing legislation. Even if a confidence vote took place, he'd be very unlikely to lose it.[/quote]
Do you not understand the change of leader process in the Tory Party?

The letters are already going on. They no longer need a stalking horse.

Letters are already going in that should say

@itsgettingweird

I think this shows the data is good. There is a definite reduction in severe cases with this variant and most people are reporting a bad cold for 2-3 days.

I've been very wary of covid the whole way through and was very Ill with initial variant in March 2020. I've known no one as Ill with subsequent variants (anecdotal I do realise!)

But I also work in education within special schools. We've been in throughout and I've noticed people in keyworker/front line roles have a much better risk analysis and are far more against restrictions now. I think being out of home from day 1 and seeing it makes it easier to see the difference now.

And yes, we get it in school and it can spread fast. And I won't deny some of our pupils have been quite ill. One saved by a trial drug.

But that's what I'm seeing - improvements in treatments and vaccination that means we can manage to start living with this.

My son is at a special school ,he's just moved up to the high school from the primary school ( same trust) both schools were closed throughout the last two national closures ,in hoping and praying schools don't close again .

@MrsMigginsEggNogShoppe

I don’t understand what’s so hard about people staying at home for a few months to save lives.

I would imagine you are not employed in an industry where people 'just' staying at home for a few months is not going to have a catastrophic affect on your livelihood then? Two years down the line and we have to find a way to navigate this without lockdowns.

Indeed…

And of course in order for a select few to be able to stay tucked away at home safely and have stuff delivered to their door they need supermarket staff, delivery staff, logistics staff, police, fire brigade, power station workers, telecoms workers, water supply workers, waste industry workers etc (the list is almost endless) to carry on actually not staying at home and instead actually going to their place of work

[quote TheScenicWay]@PinkTree7 Lockdown til March 31st is insane.
Do you realise what the cost to society of this would be? You do realise that not everyone has lovely happy family home lives with loving family members, comfortable homes, space or gadgets for work and education. Do you know how many people are abused or children Who can’t do their work because they have to look after younger siblings?
Avoiding an illness which is mild for most is not the only priority of the government.[/quote]
Well said

@SilverGlitterBaubles

If anyone believes that Boris Johnson is making decisions in their best interests then they need to give their head a big MN wobble. Johnson is on the ropes trying to save his own skin after recent events, slumps in the opinion polls and pressure from looney backbenchers. Boris Johnson only cares about Boris Johnson.

It's cheap and derogatory to keep calling them loony backbenchers. Some of them have very valid and well-articulated concerns, not all of which concern economic impact. And loony is a really offensive word anyway.

It's worth remembering that not all hospitality is alcohol based.
I worked for a charity which had a coffee shop as part of its fund raising. I lost my job due to redundancy.
It's not quite that bloody simplistic
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Everyone I know has Covid but will be out for NYE so sure they'll be happy. I'm not planning anything anyway and staying in but I'm glad people can do what they want.

The thing is that the compensation is never enough. I know, I have a business that employs 45 freelancers, and the grants I got were one sixth of the revenue I lost. I was able to furlough the 2 PAYE people I have but not any of the freelancers. And some got support, but lots didn't. So it's not as simple as lockdown and the government supports business, as they don't properly. And we all fought tooth and nail to get our businesses through the first 18 months of this shit. November 2021 was the first month where I actually got close to the revenues from pre March 2020. Then along came omicron.
So lockdown really isn't the answer for service industry businesses, it really isn't. It's also insanely fucking stressful working out how to change what you do to keep as many people working as possible.
Then furlough is open to huge amounts of abuse. Companies with no offices and zero loss of income furloughing staff just to make more money. it's really not the answer.

@rrhuth I may even understand it better than you! They need a certain number of letters to hold the vote. But it's extremely unlikely that enough MPs would vote against him to actually topple him.

There is no way on Gods earth the government will allow schools to close after pressing ahead with NY. There would be riots and parents would never forgive them, and when considering just how many millions would be affected, it is unthinkable and they ruled out any school closures ever again some time ago.

So those worrying about schools being closed, please don't. No government in their right mind would dare, and the impact on the economy and the NHS and vital services would be unthinkable as parents could not work.

That was to @bjjgirl

Yes,good news we can all mingle and party and the virus can hop happily from one person to the next with just a cold to deal with.the virus however will find a clever way how to mutate again...

Good. I just wish this was the decision in Scotland. Bars and clubs are on the brink of going out of business, while Queen Nicola is fretting about us all sanitising our hands. Let us make up our own minds what we are prepared to risk (or not risk).

@Ihopeyourcakeisshit

It's worth remembering that not all hospitality is alcohol based. I worked for a charity which had a coffee shop as part of its fund raising. I lost my job due to redundancy. It's not quite that bloody simplistic .

Yes, this exactly. Mine isn't alcohol based, actually health and fitness, but I still had to close for 11 months out of 14 in 2020/21