No new measures in England before New Year

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Has just been announced by the Health Secretary and reported across BBC etc.

What is that to do with anything, there are many in oppressed jobs worse than teaching that's a fact.

I don't know that it is helpful to always talk about 'worse' because the ultimate conclusion is there is one job deemed the 'worst' and then no one else can ever moan.

Is teaching a tough job? Yes.
Are other jobs tough? Yes.
Are some people genuinely oppressed in their jobs? Yes.

It isn't either/or.

I clearly said I know it's not the only tough job and I in no way said it was the worst or we were oppressed etc. I just pointed out that the chances of being up to effectively teaching and being solely responsible for the safety, education and wellbeing of 150 kids over 5 lessons 6 days into covid are pretty slim.

Presumably people want their kids safe, educated and taken good care of when in school. It's a ratio of 1:30 with people with disabilities, major reactive behaviour problems, special educational needs etc amongst those 30. It's pretty important the 1 is on it.

I don't get why your post wasn't yes it's similar for us in job X where we have to do x, y and z and have to be really on it because otherwise.... and we can't be relocated or used for a different role either because... I don't think we'd be fit to return to work on day 7 either.

I'm not sure why me talking about my job and how I can't see myself being able to do it with covid is something to antagonise someone in another job rather than to join in and say yes my job also.

I don't get why you don't say what your job is and how you too have conditions that wouldn't lend themselves well to this policy rather than just a kind of attacking post saying other people have it tough too. Genuinely. Don't get it.

Can someone please tell me what the "real world" is because I apparently exist in an unreal world...

Yes, I would argue that those of us in schools see more of the "real world" in terms of social problems than many other jobs. We are faced with the fallout every day.

Teachers apparently exist in a parallel universe, full of fae, unicorns and other mythical beings.

Where we live in harmonious ignorance of what all other people living in "real world" go through.

Or alternately
@Againstmachine your prejudice is showing.

When people come on to try and derail a thread by saying that teachers / nurses / insert other badly treated worker should be grateful because they're not doing something even shittier like being a delivery driver denied breaks who has to pee in a bottle..... please know it's a distraction technique.

The aim is to get people arguing about who has it worse rather than place the blame on those causing these crappy, unacceptable conditions in MANY workplaces which are inhumane and unacceptable. Which is the government, and particularly far right Tories.

The fact they've got away with no mitigations during a pandemic in many workplaces is a race to the bottom and VERY disturbing. Disaster capitalists are in charge and they don't care about quality of life or wellbeing or health or death. They see people as numbers.

They don't want us talking about the bigger picture because then people might stand up against the creeping destruction of workplace safety.

@theemperorhasnoclothes spot on. It happens every time.
It the Teachers can't cLl for mitigation as supermarket workers or whatever put up with it. Etc etc.

Labour and the unions have been pretty useless too.

Existing laws say ventilation needs to be adequate - which it clearly isn't in schools during the pandemic as rates of covid have been the highest in school aged kids when they're at school (and fall during holidays) and much higher than community rates.

But yes, if teachers, with a union, are being treated like crap, which they are, then of course there will be people worse off. Everyone should be angry about both these things and place the blame squarely with the government who allows workplaces to operate in this way and break the law and get away with it with absolutely no consequences whatsoever.

I said on a previous thread that it's the thin end of the wedge and they'll be reducing fire risk mitigation next - and was told that's already happening in schools.

How far will it go? At what point will our children and schools (and teachers) be harmed to the point of adults actually waking up and saying 'no more'?

To think it was exactly two years ago today I saw an article online about a coronavirus infection that was found in Wuhan.
It was at the bottom of the webpage and I wished I had screen shot it or something back then , but I'd never heard of it or even crossed my mind it may transmit to Europe.
Look where we are now.