No new measures in England before New Year

[Jourdain11]

Has just been announced by the Health Secretary and reported across BBC etc.

The drop in isolation is justified now that the risk is less and the impact is reduced in terms of nhs

We have to change response as situation changes

We won’t be isolating with covid (Legally) I imagine by next year as we be in better situation again

@YenniferOfVengaBus

Threads like this are such depressing reminders of how callous, selfish, lazy and short sighted so many people are. Ugh.

I think people just have perception of selfishness.

Some people believe that those who are against further restrictions are selfish.

Some people believe that those who want further restrictions are selfish.

Most of want the same thing - we want the pandemic to be ‘over’. We want as few was possible to die or get seriously ill. We want children to get a decent education. We want routine healthcare to continue. We to see our family and friends and to be able to socialise and enjoy life. And hopefully hold on to our jobs.

We just disagree about how to get there.

We won’t be isolating with covid (Legally) I imagine by next year as we be in better situation again

I hope it will be long before then.

10 day isolation for asymptomatic children is just ridiculous

Not if they have covid and are infectious.

[quote CallmeHendricks]@vickyc90, "So should we do 10 days isolation for every cough and cold as they will still be positive for that as well."

Er, no. Because run-of-the-mill coughs and colds haven't caused 18 million deaths world-wide and aren't notifiable illnesses.[/quote]
Stop being dramatic it's closer to 5.5million than 18 million with >40% over the age of 75.

In comparison the Spanish killed 18-100million of which a much higher proportion were young healthy adults and children.

It's time it wasn't an notifiable disease, it's time we accepted it as any other virus and moved on. We could have saved many more lives investing into work on other diseases 627k people lost their lives to Malaria in 2020 alone of which 57% were under 5!

@Appuskidu

10 day isolation for asymptomatic children is just ridiculous

Not if they have covid and are infectious.

It is ridiculous as covid for most people is now just a cold.

Once transmission is back in check, mostly due to herd immunity, then we’ll be dialling back both isolation to naught, and the requirement to test with it.

The 5 million figure for worldwide deaths is only for confirmed cases.

Yes it'll be like a cold for "most" - but even then there's the risks of long covid, and PIMS in children.

And what about the few, including but not limited to the CEV, many of whom are working and living largely "normal" lives, parenting children etc etc?

cev have had 3/4 jabs - im not sure they're actually 'cev' to covid? anymore

@vickyc90 the excess deaths is 18m (mid range estimate). Lots of the world don't have accurate records.

Yes they are @Watapalava , especially those whose immune system hasn't mounted a good response to the vaccine.

The first malaria vaccine was approved a couple of months ago. www.discovermagazine.com/health/malaria-vaccines-could-be-game-changers which will obviously be exciting news to people who are actually concerned about malaria.

@YenniferOfVengaBus

Threads like this are such depressing reminders of how callous, selfish, lazy and short sighted so many people are. Ugh.

Agreed. All these people who want to shut down the country again, risking people’s jobs and mental health, based on a mild covid variant when most of us are triple jabbed. Very callous and short sighted.

@vickyc90 why are you concerned about the malaria deaths last year when at the very least 9 times as many people were killed by covid in the last two years?

[quote JanglyBeads]@vickyc90 why are you concerned about the malaria deaths last year when at the very least 9 times as many people were killed by covid in the last two years?[/quote]
Because malaria by and large kills the under 5 where as COVID by and large kills the over 75.

Without context the COVID figures look horrifying but when you put them into the context of other infectious disease it's no where near as scary for the average person.

I think when we talk about shortened isolation periods, we have to be absolutely clear what we mean.

A shortened isolation period of 7 days that absolutely requires 2 negative LFTs a day apart or a period of 5 days for those who have always been asymptomatic, and which also requires 5 days of full-time ffp2 or above mask wearing everywhere are both much less risky (in infection terms) that 'just let them out after 7 or 5 days'.

Apologies, I also missed a bit out - the 7 days is:

• No symptoms
• 2 x LFTs, 24 hours apart
• No return to crowded places
• No contact with the potentially vulnerable

That means, of course, that no infected teachers (returning to crowded classrooms) or frontline NHS or care staff (contact with the vulnerable) can return in less than 10 days under current guidelines in England.

I presume that's no symptoms other than a cough or loss of taste/smell?

Without context the COVID figures look horrifying but when you put them into the context of other infectious disease it's no where near as scary for the average person.

You mean ‘no where near as scary for you ‘

That people can post such selfish nonsense quite happily, speaks volumes about them.

@ChloeDecker

Without context the COVID figures look horrifying but when you put them into the context of other infectious disease it's no where near as scary for the average person.

You mean ‘no where near as scary for you ‘

That people can post such selfish nonsense quite happily, speaks volumes about them.

I am similarly puzzled by a poster who seems to think that public health policy should be driven by whether they, as an individual, are 'scared', rather than by whether, at a population or global level, the balance of risks justify any changes being made....

The only thing I'd like to see banned is the word, "selfish". I just can't bear to read it again!!

I can imagine it makes some posters feel uneasy/uncomfortable @Jourdain11

[quote CallmeHendricks]@vickyc90, "So should we do 10 days isolation for every cough and cold as they will still be positive for that as well."

Er, no. Because run-of-the-mill coughs and colds haven't caused 18 million deaths world-wide and aren't notifiable illnesses.[/quote]
Quite. Currently colds cause 100.

@ChloeDecker

I can imagine it makes some posters feel uneasy/uncomfortable *@Jourdain11*

Nothing to do with uneasy. It's just trite, sanctimonious and irritating.

Jourdain, is it fairer to say 'some people may be focused primarily on their own needs and those of their immediate family, while others might be more interested in looking at questions from a wider public health / public good perspective'? It's longer to type than 'selfish', but perhaps less irritating?

Nothing to do with uneasy. It's just trite, sanctimonious and irritating.
In your opinion.

In my opinion, it’s often because some people don’t like to have selfish opinions called out. After all, one is about how it affects them and the other is how it affects others.