No new measures in England before New Year

[Jourdain11]

Has just been announced by the Health Secretary and reported across BBC etc.

I am totally against any further restrictions so am very pleased

@Itisasecret

What fascinates me is that people who want to party on, expect schools to be able to function as normal in January. It won’t happen.

The poster who spoke about the heart attack, there was a 3 car pile up near us, serious injuries and ambulance took 40 mins…

If they stopped sending out LF and stopped isolation unless your I'll in bed they would. To be fair the higher the peak the shorter disruption to schools will be. If all the staff get it now 7 days isolation (I think it should be 5 and no lateral flows) school should open as normal.

To be fair no I wouldn't have a problem with DS teacher being positive and still teaching them we've all had it and will likely get it again regardless

I'm delighted no further restrictions

The data just doesn't support it. 8000 in hospital - there were 40,000 last winter and hospitalisations are currently lower than in November!

Schools may be fine, particularly with drop in isolation period. If they drop it to 5 days like the US then things will be even more improved. Its the restrictions and isolations that currently cause the issue, not covid infection itself. The chief exec of NHS has stated only yesterday that the NHS is coping totally fine.

So many kids and teachers have had it anyway and once they've had it, they wont be testing for another 90 days so it will be done and out the way for winter.

Everyone is going to get it at some point anyway!

@SilverGlitterBaubles, there have been a few (parents) on here too, who are getting prepped.
Fine. But don't come on here complaining that your child doesn't have a teacher next week/your parent's operation has been cancelled.

What, the NHS chief exec who tweeted this yesterday?

"We must also remember that, as a whole, NHS remains under huge pressure. Trust leaders are telling us that, whilst they can cope with current covid caseloads, staff are at full stretch. Trusts also expect to come under greater pressure as they head into January."

If all the staff get it now 7 days isolation (I think it should be 5 and no lateral flows) school should open as normal.

@rrhuth

You’re still telling us nothing while attacking anything we suggest. If you can’t say what you think should be happening, then how do you know the current approach is the wrong one?

The problem with reducing isolation time is that it is "politically problematic". If you reduce to 5 after it being 10 a few weeks ago, how many unnecessary hundreds of thousands of lost days of work and school is that...?

[quote Lifeisnteasy]@rrhuth

You’re still telling us nothing while attacking anything we suggest. If you can’t say what you think should be happening, then how do you know the current approach is the wrong one?[/quote]
I am not attacking you. I am attacking the government. Pretty clearly from all my answers I think the government should be seeking to:

• limit the rapid rise in cases
• mitigate the impact in schools
• support businesses where necessary
• generally stop being completely useless

If you are certain Johnson is right, you have nothing to worry about.

@Jourdain11

The problem with reducing isolation time is that it is "politically problematic". If you reduce to 5 after it being 10 a few weeks ago, how many unnecessary hundreds of thousands of lost days of work and school is that...?

What was US? They’ve switched. I think we’d get used to it pretty quickly.

Although I take your point

@rrhuth that’s what you want to happen, but how?

The US is considering school closures too.

That’s a shame. Some states have had very long closures already.

[quote Lifeisnteasy]**@rrhuth* that’s what you want to happen, but how?*[/quote]
I do not understand why you keep asking me the same questions over and over.

This whole thread is about the restrictions Johnson was considering but has chosen not to bring in - along the same lines as Scotland/Ni/Wales.

In addition, there should have been for the last eighteen months now proper mitigations in schools.

@MarshaBradyo I'm with you - think 5 days would likely cover most transmission and would personally have no issue with the change. But I bet the powers that be are like, errrrr, how would we then justify the fact that we were making people do double the amount of isolation a couple months back?

10 day isolation for asymptomatic children is just ridiculous. My DD2 and DS were both asymptomatic positives and had no symptoms at all. DD1 was quite unwell and I would have kept her at home even if it had not been Covid.

It's obvious what we should do and has been for some time - lots of countries are managing this better with similar or greater population density.

I don't really feel rruth needs to spell it out. So many scientists, including Sage, have done so already - ventilation in schools - there was a report by government scientists ages ago I think mid 2021 (IIRC) about this. But politicians want to ignore it. because they're stupid and invested in what they want to happen not reality (see also: Brexit and the bus slogan). And they don't want to invest in state schools.

"10 day isolation for asymptomatic children is just ridiculous."

Not if they're still testing positive.

@CallmeHendricks

"10 day isolation for asymptomatic children is just ridiculous."

Not if they're still testing positive.

So should we do 10 days isolation for every cough and cold as they will still be positive for that aswell. If they are well enough they should be in schools this is endemic we are all going to get it multiple times per year

Threads like this are such depressing reminders of how callous, selfish, lazy and short sighted so many people are. Ugh.

The US is considering school closures too.

"The US" doesn't "consider" anything where schools are concerned. Education in the US consists of separate districts, each of which has their own policies. The central gov has almost no control over what schools in the US do.

@greenteafiend

The US is considering school closures too.

"The US" doesn't "consider" anything where schools are concerned. Education in the US consists of separate districts, each of which has their own policies. The central gov has almost no control over what schools in the US do.

I will rephrase: School closures are being considered in the US.

@YenniferOfVengaBus

Threads like this are such depressing reminders of how callous, selfish, lazy and short sighted so many people are. Ugh.

How so? Please do explain how we are so callous, selfish, lazy and shortsighted, it's only fair to give us the chance to come to terms with our failings so that we can strive to improve our personalities.

@YenniferOfVengaBus

Threads like this are such depressing reminders of how callous, selfish, lazy and short sighted so many people are. Ugh.

Do explain?

And they don't want to invest in state schools. Think this is true - there is ideological opposition to investment in public services, including schools.

The Tories have consistently lied about keeping schools open being a priority - if it were a priority, they would do more to ensure it happened.

@vickyc90, "So should we do 10 days isolation for every cough and cold as they will still be positive for that as well."

Er, no. Because run-of-the-mill coughs and colds haven't caused 18 million deaths world-wide and aren't notifiable illnesses.