Work sending messages pleading for help

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My work has sent out an email this morning pleading for help today. I expect it will be
Like this for a few weeks now.

It's not an essential service likely but if my Work is doing it how are the essential services going to cope

This is why I think we will
End up with some restrictions soon.

@Coconut49 lots of people undergoing chemo already had to self isolate. Covid is more dangerous though than a cold or flu. People also before the pandemic got more sympathy and help. Now they get nastiness of - who do you expect to live forever anyway?

@SheikhMaraca

That’s from the 22nd December so five days ago so they could well be many more now

Source?

Where it says on the article 22nd December. Top left next to the headline, last updated 6 days ago

I've been off sick for 6 months with long covid. I was unable to work all that time as I could hardly breathe. I'm going back soon but still no smell and left with chronic asthma having previously been fit and well. My actual covid was just a mild cold. Be careful...long covid is no joke!

5 days actually, and do you have a source for your purported actual number?

On the 23rd December the deaths were 29 so double your number from the 22nd.

@Pickledlipstick

Treated like a cold that should have said

Its only like a cold because we have vaccines. Vaccines wane for people ( reported in news) after 10 wks. I don't think scrapping isolation will work. Not everybody gets it mildly. Some feel quite unwell with it. The sheer scale of infections would mean that everyone has the infection at the same time causing a huge burden on hospitals. A small % who are seriously ill with it will become a huge amount of people in hospital simply because of the volume of infections.

@RoyalFamilyFan

In amongst all the talk of kids, children who are disabled and vulnerable themselves, or kids with vulnerable parents are pretty much ignored. I saw an interview with a teacher who mentioned a child in their class who had lost both parents to covid. For some children covid is having an enormous impact on their lives that will never go away.

The CFR for Delta was approx 0.15% in the under 65s.

It’s vanishingly unlikely that a schoolchild will lose even one parent, or a teacher to Covid.

A grandparent, perhaps, but this is just an unfortunate fact of life and certainly not one we should be shutting down the country for.

People need to remember that every child in the UK will suffer hardships to repay the £500 billion that lockdown has cost us.

This will have a hugely detrimental impact on every child that will also never go away.

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@Coconut49 lots of people undergoing chemo already had to self isolate. Covid is more dangerous though than a cold or flu. People also before the pandemic got more sympathy and help. Now they get nastiness of - who do you expect to live forever anyway?[/quote]
I'm talking about the Omicron variant which is thought to be on par with a cold now. If this is proved to definitely be the case, do you still think the isolation period should remain in force and further restrictions put in place?

I’m happy to stand corrected, but unless is translates to a CFR north of 50 or so percent, then it’s still not worth the mass hysteria.

I hope you’re not saying that half the population needs to die before mass hysteria and the government takes any measures.

@Firstshoes

I've been off sick for 6 months with long covid. I was unable to work all that time as I could hardly breathe. I'm going back soon but still no smell and left with chronic asthma having previously been fit and well. My actual covid was just a mild cold. Be careful...long covid is no joke!

Presumably though, six months ago you didn't have the milder Omricon variant and (probably?) weren't vaccinated?

@WonderfulYou

I’m happy to stand corrected, but unless is translates to a CFR north of 50 or so percent, then it’s still not worth the mass hysteria.

I hope you’re not saying that half the population needs to die before mass hysteria and the government takes any measures.

Do you actually know what the CFR is?

@Autumndays123

It always amazes me that posters call for lockdowns without any suggestion.to any form of exit plan. What do these people actually want to happen? How do we protect vulnerable people from covid forever? Genuinely please enlighten me because it's clear vaccinations don't stop the spread of covid entirely and neither does it protect people. So if we must save every life and protect every person from getting it until the end of time, how do you envision that?

This is always an interesting one. We should lock down for 4 weeks. Allow the remaining covid to 'fizzle out'. Go back to only 1 person in the supermarket/up delivery slots which are left on the doorstep to keep social distancing. Shut the schools/go back to strict bubbles. Everything non essential closes. (Personally thy should've done this the week before term ended to cause the lest distruption possible but hey ho!). As for an exit plan - Personally my thoughts are we should shut the borders - any essential goods coming in should be subject to a PCR test no non essential travel at all and mandatory 10 day isolation should come back in for anyone travelling.

I believe there has been 14 deaths with Omicron (no doubt somebody will correct me if I'm wrong), and people want restrictions to stop it escalating and to protect the CEV, yet 50,000 excess deaths in the winter of 2017/18 resulted in no restrictions at all despite the very obvious fact that flu kills and those CEV are at most risk. Why did no-one here call for restrictions to protect them then? The hysteria around Omicron is getting ridiculous now.

@Coconut49 for most people it is like a cold, not all.

@SheikhMaraca this was in the Asian community. Some communities have suffered far more deaths proportionately than others. Some know no one who has died of covid I know 5 people.

Have those measures had any discernible benefit in any of the other countries that have tried them?

No, but the cost of them would be even more catastrophic for our DC.

@newbietoanxiety

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately sarcastic or actually mean that. It's not going to fizzle out in 4 weeks unless no one at all leaves the house, so closed hospitals, shops etc?

I was doubly jabbed 6 months ago. No it proabably wasn't omicron but it was mild. Is there any proof that omicron doesn't cause long covid?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

[quote JohnSmithDrive]@newbietoanxiety

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately sarcastic or actually mean that. It's not going to fizzle out in 4 weeks unless no one at all leaves the house, so closed hospitals, shops etc?[/quote]
Yes al shops as stated except supermarkets - controlled entry as it was the first time with only one shopper and masks.

Hospitals remain open for essential as it has all along and infection levels controlled

@SheikhMaraca countries that stop the spread have had better economic outcomes than the UK. As we can see from the UK, spread just leads to people voting with their feet. Restaurants have been dead around here and the roads are so quiet.

These restrictions are all having such a knock on effect on everything. Down to trivial things like there will be no school milk delivered to my primary school until mid January due to all the uncertainty, as well as supplier and driver issues. That's going to have a knock on effect on dairy farmers I'm sure. Perhaps milk prices will go up for consumers if they haven't already (already happened at school).

I'm absolutely fed up of the knock on effects now. We can't sustain this forever.

*Yes al shops as stated except supermarkets - controlled entry as it was the first time with only one shopper and masks.

Hospitals remain open for essential as it has all along and infection levels controlled*

How will that make Covid fizzle out? There will still be plenty enough opportunity for transmission for it to survive.?

It’s vanishingly unlikely that a schoolchild will lose even one parent, or a teacher to Covid.

Huh!?

What an odd thing to say!
We had staff and parents die from covid.

Your posts make sense now.
I thought it was the new variant that you thought was being taken too seriously but now I see you are one of those.

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@Coconut49 for most people it is like a cold, not all.

@SheikhMaraca this was in the Asian community. Some communities have suffered far more deaths proportionately than others. Some know no one who has died of covid I know 5 people.[/quote]
If so, that serves as perfect illustration of why we have to rely on population level data sets, not personal anecdotes.

An orphaned DC is obviously a tragedy, but is so very unlikely to happen, we can’t make policy based on such a case.

"It’s vanishingly unlikely that a schoolchild will lose even one parent, or a teacher to Covid"

It happened to a pupil I taught in a school of 900. Took covid home, mum caught it passed away a few weeks later. We didn't lose a teacher at our school but the nearby college did.

Some staff were off for 6 months with long term effects so they did lose their regular teacher in a way.

There are parts of the up with less than 60% vaccine take up - those are the ones who should be concerned and the local hospitals.

Unless people take the vaccine which proves it’s worth then this mess will continue.

Each person should take responsibility for themselves, young triples jabbed are less likely to be ill but more likely to mix with larger crowds.