Work sending messages pleading for help

[whenwillthemadnessend]

My work has sent out an email this morning pleading for help today. I expect it will be
Like this for a few weeks now.

It's not an essential service likely but if my Work is doing it how are the essential services going to cope

This is why I think we will
End up with some restrictions soon.

@JohnSmithDrive

*Yes al shops as stated except supermarkets - controlled entry as it was the first time with only one shopper and masks.

Hospitals remain open for essential as it has all along and infection levels controlled*

How will that make Covid fizzle out? There will still be plenty enough opportunity for transmission for it to survive.?

But it did work. It worked twice. What killed it was opening up so quickly and lack of control on borders etc

@SheikhMaraca My whole point is that to people like you, only some children matter. Basically white health able-bodied children.

@WonderfulYou

It’s vanishingly unlikely that a schoolchild will lose even one parent, or a teacher to Covid.

Huh!?

What an odd thing to say!
We had staff and parents die from covid.

Your posts make sense now.
I thought it was the new variant that you thought was being taken too seriously but now I see you are one of those.

These are statistical outliers though.

We cannot make policy without looking at population level data, which show that the CFR is 0.15% in under 65s (and that figure predates omicron, so likely to be lower still now)

I’m unsure of the point you’re trying to make tbh.

@JohnSmithDrive

I think it might go the other way, fewer restrictions rather than more.

If it is true that this a milder illness, it's unnecessary to isolate people so much. People who are positive but otherwise well can return to work, which would solve many of the current problems.

Problem is that they might then give it to lots of other people. Most of whom might just have mild cold-like symptoms, especially if they've been vaccinated; but some will be sufficiently ill to have to take a week or more off work (even ignoring the possibility of dangerous complications). The staff shortages might get worse rather than better.

But it did work. It worked twice. What killed it was opening up so quickly and lack of control on borders etc

That's exactly it. It didn't work because there was still enough for it to take off again as soon as things reopened. If we'd waited longer, there would still have been "enough" in that any would be enough.

Omicron hospitalises more younger children. About 20% more than previously.

@walksen

"It’s vanishingly unlikely that a schoolchild will lose even one parent, or a teacher to Covid"

It happened to a pupil I taught in a school of 900. Took covid home, mum caught it passed away a few weeks later. We didn't lose a teacher at our school but the nearby college did.

Some staff were off for 6 months with long term effects so they did lose their regular teacher in a way.

I’m just repeating myself now, but the population level data show very clearly that this is a very, very unlikely situation.

Are you suggesting that every school in the land had the same experience? The data definitely don’t show this.

@RoyalFamilyFan

Omicron hospitalises more younger children. About 20% more than previously.

Source?

It is all over the news this morning.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/children-omicron-20-more-risk-25714622

@SheikhMaraca we've had 2 student deaths at ours from covid. A fair number of parent deaths and countless wider family deaths.

@Blubells

*You don’t get it do you

They maybe well enough to work but as they are isolating as they have tested positive then all they are going to do is transmit it to others*

I do get it. It doesn't matter if these people transmit a mild virus to others. It may actually be a good thing by improving society's immunity!

Ok so I'm a really healthy (or so I thought) teacher. I expected Covid to pass me by or, at least, to have only mild symptoms. That didn't happen and now 3 months later I am still breathless, fatigued and suffering brain fog. Theoretically I was all for 'improving society's immunity' but I now realise Covid is unpredictable - we have to be responsible and think of society as a whole, surely?

@newbietoanxiety

Not only have we been here before in terms of lockdowns that just kicked the can down the road (unless you’re thinking of locking everyone up indefinitely?) but you have utterly failed to take into account anything other than covid. Not non-covid physical health, not mental health, not normal human interactions, not education and normal child development, not the businesses that will be affected or even ruined, not the domestic violence victims, not the economy…nothing.

Just a fucking endless situation of covid uber alles

I’m unsure of the point you’re trying to make tbh.

Of course you don’t.

You don’t even believe a child of school age could have a parent or teacher die of covid.

If you struggle to understand that a virus can cause deaths to middle aged people then how would you understand other aspects of a virus and what issues it may cause.

"Are you suggesting that every school in the land had the same experience? The data definitely don’t show this"

I'm suggesting that is unlikely but not "vanishingly unlikely" and no consolation to that kid or other pupils who take it home to clinically vulnerable relatives etc.

That it was very unlikely was no consolation to that pupil either

@Siameasy

Yeah many will be off work but ordinarily would be well enough to come in. And if people are taking daily asymptomatic tests then that’s also a problem because eventually you will “strike gold” My work definitely DONT want us doing random tests because of the impact on the work force! I don’t see how the isolation rule is tenable long term.

FGS how do people with this line of thinking get through the day?

How is spreading it to more people going to help with the numbers at work? One person off for 7 days, even if feeling 'ok' or 10 people off after getting it from number 1.

[quote BrightYellowDaffodil]@newbietoanxiety

Not only have we been here before in terms of lockdowns that just kicked the can down the road (unless you’re thinking of locking everyone up indefinitely?) but you have utterly failed to take into account anything other than covid. Not non-covid physical health, not mental health, not normal human interactions, not education and normal child development, not the businesses that will be affected or even ruined, not the domestic violence victims, not the economy…nothing.

Just a fucking endless situation of covid uber alles [/quote]
And what you fail to take into account are people who are scared, CEV or even CV, have health anxiety and who have CEV,CV children who are forced into covid rife situations because of the 'I'm alright jack' brigade

@borntobequiet

So if someone tests positive with Omicron but feels well enough to go to work and goes, infects three more people, one of whom has a mild infection and feels OK, one of whom is ill enough to have to take two weeks off and one of whom develops Long Covid and has to be signed off long term sick, how is that an improvement? (Numbers for illustrative purposes only.) The only reliable way to exert some control over highly infectious illnesses is isolation, as has been recognised for centuries.

It’s just basic common sense but the reality is to vulnerable people “f* you”.

And how much progress has the English administration made in installing effective air filtration and circulation in schools and other passive management activities that don't impinge on education significantly after almost 18 months of promises, trials and ....?

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]It is all over the news this morning.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/children-omicron-20-more-risk-25714622[/quote]
Gosh, no wonder there is such hysteria.

When you read the actual study, you get to the important bit on p.15, but nobody ever seems to be interested in anything beyond the sensationalist headline.

@BedisBliss very good point made key word being unpredictable. I know many (NHS & school staff) still suffering many months after their positive PCR tests. They returned to work as expected - but have had and will continue to have many sporadic days of sickness absence - this unpredictability should also be expected!

@newbietoanxiety

And what you fail to take into account are people who are scared, CEV or even CV, have health anxiety and who have CEV,CV children who are forced into covid rife situations because of the 'I'm alright jack' brigade

No, I don’t “fail to take into account” those people at all. But there has to be a balance - as PPs have said, there are those who would be adversely affected by flu or colds, and we don’t stop the world then. I am not advocating actively throwing anyone under the bus but we cannot just keep on as we are because the overall costs are too high.

For those with anxiety - and I say this as someone who has suffered with crippling anxiety for a significant part of their life - that is their problem to deal with, not society’s to work around. I would never be so fucking entitled to think that others should work around my anxiety.

These accusations of anyone who advocates for a more rational and balanced approach being branded one of the “I’m alright Jack brigade” is as worn a trope as it is utterly tiresome and trite.

@SheikhMaraca then you didnt read my comment about it.

???

Basically young children are more likely to be hospitalised with this variant, the mortality rate is still low for that age group.

@RoyalFamilyFan

Basically young children are more likely to be hospitalised with this variant, the mortality rate is still low for that age group.

The report says the opposite though