Page 8 | A possible solution to save the NHS from the unvaccinated

PickAChew · 23/12/2021 23:28

I think we had this thread, already.

jgw1 · 23/12/2021 23:29

@PickAChew

I think we had this thread, already.

Just once or twice. Don't worry there will be another one along soon.

nellyburt · 23/12/2021 23:33

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

TheMilkyWeigh · 23/12/2021 23:34

Would you all feel the same way if I told you that 85% of the IC beds in my local hospital are occupied by unvaccinated patients? And that because of this all outpatient appointments at my local hospital have been postponed because capacity has been dramatically reduced

Eh? How does the ICU occupancy affect outpatients? I go to outpatients for orthopedics. It’s not even in the same building as the ICU. The doctor I see would be as much use as a chocolate teapot for a COVID patient in the ICU. He fixes broken bones. He doesn’t have anything to do with respiratory illnesses. I

Luredbyapomegranate · 23/12/2021 23:34

Don’t be silly OP..

ladygindiva · 23/12/2021 23:38

The only 2 people I know who have died from covid were fully jabbed.

TheMilkyWeigh · 23/12/2021 23:38

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

She should consider a career change. Medicine is about providing care and comfort, not judging people’s lifestyle choices and treating them any differently than any other person. Does she react the same way when a person is dying of liver disease through drinking, or a heart attack through overeating and/or smoking?

I know someone who was a dentist and held a clinic once s month in a prison. If a serial killer or child molester had toothache, she provided pain relief and did whatever was needed to solve the problem, no matter how repulsive the crimes were to her. That’s what medicine is all about.

XenoBitch · 23/12/2021 23:40

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

Your friend needs to change jobs.

Mrsbrightside1 · 23/12/2021 23:45

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

Then your friend is a disgrace to her profession

Starcup · 23/12/2021 23:45

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

No wonder. She’ll see it day in day out. It’ll make her job harder because they won’t get a bludy second.

Starcup · 23/12/2021 23:46

This could have been prevented- is what she’ll be thinking!

MrsBerthaRochester · 23/12/2021 23:51

Vaccine does NOT stop you catching or spreading covid and MAY only prevent you getting seriously ill.
Your "friend" should remember First DO NO harm.

Youarefakenews · 23/12/2021 23:52

It is time a lot of us actually researched the numbers instead of relying on what is posted on social media or the biased/sensationalist claptrap put out by news outlets.

As of today the NHS has just under 6500 ICU beds.

The number of patients using them today totals 842, this is 7 down on Yesterday.

The proportion of those vaccinated to non vaccinated has been approximately 65% Vaccinated to 35% Non Vaccinated. But even if these figures had been reversed it is still a tiny fraction of the available beds.

We also keep reading about how under staffed/resourced our NHS is. I live in Scotland, Over the past 5 years frontline staff like consultants & nurses has actually increased by 10%.

Right from the very beginning of this shit show, The NHS has never once came anywhere near actually hitting full capacity due to Covid. It is time we took the NHS down from the pedestal we hold it on and look at how it is being run subjectively. There are thousands of incredibly hard working Dr's & Nurses who did an amazing job throughout Covid, to which we all should be grateful. However these was also a massive amount of resource unused for months on end due to poor decision making by Goverment & management.

whymewhyme · 23/12/2021 23:54

What a vile evil world we live in. You are being VERY unreasonable.

CoastalWave · 23/12/2021 23:54

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

Your 'friend' needs sacking if this is true.

She's a disgrace to her profession.

And ps that's probably bullshit anyway.

Getyourarseofffthequattro · 23/12/2021 23:56

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

She doesn't sound wonderful at all. She should be struck off with an attitude like that.

XenoBitch · 24/12/2021 00:05

@Starcup

This could have been prevented- is what she’ll be thinking!

She should just keep thinking it then, and not treating people who have not had the vaccine differently. Care, and treating your patient holistically, is a huge part of the role of being a medical professional.

Turquoisesea · 24/12/2021 00:06

I think we will look back on these threads in years to come and be horrified. How quickly some people turn on each other, it is actually shocking. The same people who were once family, friends, neighbours and now they deserve everything they get for not taking a vaccine for whatever reason. I find it truly shocking.

Branster · 24/12/2021 00:07

What a ridiculous idea.

All the vaccination that has happened and will be taking place in the future will need paying for, somehow. By all of us and by our children and everyone for a long time.
How about the unvaccinated don't contribute?

Where do you draw the line?!

We can't separate and segregate unvaccinated individuals in such way and treat them differently when they contribute the same as the vaccinated individuals.

howdiditcometothis666 · 24/12/2021 00:09

@nellyburt

My best friend is a consultant on ICU. She says that the unvaccinated receive treatment but not care from the doctors and nurses who can barely look at them. She would quite happily put them all in a covid hotel with the army looking after them. She is a wonderful person but this has driven her to the edge.

Your friend is sick and should leave the profession. Sadly if on sick leave, the unvaccinated tax payers would be paying her full pay for God knows how many months. Tell her to look into her heart at her profession who sent un tested elderly back into care homes and killed so many.

onlychildhamster · 24/12/2021 00:11

@SundayTeatime

Hasn’t Singapore done this? Anyone unvaccinated by choice will have to pay for their hospital and treatment costs if they catch Covid. Normally, the government would pay.

In Singapore, you have to pay for all healthcare fees if you got cancer, jumped out of the tree, got lung cancer from smoking or obesity related diseases from eating too much junk food. Each citizen has a health savings account, health insurance is mandatory and there is a system of means tested subsidies. At the start of the pandemic, the singapore government committed to free covid treatment as part of their healthcare strategy. Now that Singapore has one of the world's highest vax rates, it is now saying that the unvaccinated can pay for their own healthcare just like they would for any other illness.

I haven't lived in singapore for years, but on the ground, it seems like the unvaccinated would probably not have to cough up the money out of pocket as the subsidies/insurance/health savings would probably adequately cover it. The government estimates the copay after insurance and subsidies to 2k to 4k SGD (£1k-2k) and given that the contribution to health savings is 8% every year, i find it hard to believe most people wouldn't have that kind of money in their health savings account. Which is why the resolutely unvaxxed in Singapore are probably not going to get vaxed because they may have to pay £1k-2k from their health savings.

I do have some sympathy for people having to pay for covid treatment. Firstly going bungee jumping or skiing isn't inherently an unhealthy activity. eating junk food doesn't mean someone becomes obese, there are many factors why someone is obese, some of which may not be as simple as an individual's choices plus we already have sugar tax. We already heavily tax cigarettes to the point that smokers can be seen as a net gain to the economy. All those other decisions that people take to the detriment of their health- they generally aren't binary decisions. And obese people don't need the health system all at the same time. They also can't spread their obesity to the doctors or nurses. For unjabbed patients, the decision they took was very binary- they could get jabbed or they aren't jabbed. At the same time, it does go against the principles of the NHS- healthcare that is free at the point of service.

Starcup · 24/12/2021 00:13

She should just keep thinking it then, and not treating people who have not had the vaccine differently. Care, and treating your patient holistically, is a huge part of the role of being a medical professional

The fact she’s helping keeping them alive shoes she cares.

It must be like saying to someone that can’t swim, ‘don’t go near the edge of the river, it’s slippy and you could fall in’ and the person saying ‘oh it’s fine’, then they slip. You’d just be like ffs 🤦‍♀️

It just all seems so needles and such a waste. I’m sure the families of those hospitalised have a tough time of it too wishing that they’d loved one had just had the jab.

Starcup · 24/12/2021 00:17

[quote onlychildhamster]@SundayTeatime

Hasn’t Singapore done this? Anyone unvaccinated by choice will have to pay for their hospital and treatment costs if they catch Covid. Normally, the government would pay.

In Singapore, you have to pay for all healthcare fees if you got cancer, jumped out of the tree, got lung cancer from smoking or obesity related diseases from eating too much junk food. Each citizen has a health savings account, health insurance is mandatory and there is a system of means tested subsidies. At the start of the pandemic, the singapore government committed to free covid treatment as part of their healthcare strategy. Now that Singapore has one of the world's highest vax rates, it is now saying that the unvaccinated can pay for their own healthcare just like they would for any other illness.

I haven't lived in singapore for years, but on the ground, it seems like the unvaccinated would probably not have to cough up the money out of pocket as the subsidies/insurance/health savings would probably adequately cover it. The government estimates the copay after insurance and subsidies to 2k to 4k SGD (£1k-2k) and given that the contribution to health savings is 8% every year, i find it hard to believe most people wouldn't have that kind of money in their health savings account. Which is why the resolutely unvaxxed in Singapore are probably not going to get vaxed because they may have to pay £1k-2k from their health savings.

I do have some sympathy for people having to pay for covid treatment. Firstly going bungee jumping or skiing isn't inherently an unhealthy activity. eating junk food doesn't mean someone becomes obese, there are many factors why someone is obese, some of which may not be as simple as an individual's choices plus we already have sugar tax. We already heavily tax cigarettes to the point that smokers can be seen as a net gain to the economy. All those other decisions that people take to the detriment of their health- they generally aren't binary decisions. And obese people don't need the health system all at the same time. They also can't spread their obesity to the doctors or nurses. For unjabbed patients, the decision they took was very binary- they could get jabbed or they aren't jabbed. At the same time, it does go against the principles of the NHS- healthcare that is free at the point of service.[/quote]
Great post.

cook4Meals · 24/12/2021 00:26

This is getting so boring now. Is this the same person with different usernames opening all these threads about the exact same topic?!

Huge percentages of people in intensive care are only there because they are unvaccinated.

?!?! Where do you even get this information from?!?!

Can't you think of another topic to chew on? Preferably, one that hasn't been debunked a million times before.

MarbleQueen · 24/12/2021 00:26

Would it be unreasonable to ask the unvaccinated to sign a liabilty waiver that says they agree that their personal choice excludes them from free NHS treatment for Covid?

There’s something seriously wrong with you.