Covid: Liverpool's intensive care wards full of young unvaccinated patients

[DumplingsAndStew]

Apologies if this has already been posted, I had a quick look down the thread list and didn't see any title that suggested it had

www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-12-22/covid-liverpools-intensive-care-wards-full-of-young-unvaccinated-patients

@LidlMiddleLover

Well they made a choice and now have consequences Poor for the nhs staff though

'They' chose to not have the vaccine.. and that is it. They did not choose to get Covid, or get it so bad that they ended up in ICU. I wish people would stop treating the extreme as a choice!

I have a friend that’s not vaccinated, age 45, overweight and a smoker. He thinks he’s healthy and covid is just a cold. What ever I say to him about it gets ignored, if I was to send him this video he would claim it’s fake and refuse to watch it. Some people are just pig headed and want to believe they are right and that covid only kills old people.

I'm vaccine free and accidentally did a 5km with Covid. Might be a good idea to look up the definition of 'unvaccinated.' You might be shocked.

@ivykaty44

Those of us with the ability to think critically do have an excellent idea of what's happening.

I'll explain it to you.

1. Over the past couple of decades, the government has failed to invest meaningfully in the NHS. At the beginning of the pandemic, we had one of the lowest % of hospital beds to population in the EU. That means we were massively on the back foot to start off with.

1. Over the past couple of decades, poor pay progression and poor working conditions have led to a huge number of staff vacancies within the NHS. In their wisdom the government also chose to end bursaries for nurses going into initial training a couple of years ago, which obviously led to a reduction in trainees. Staff shortages have been an issue for years. As such, before the pandemic even started, we didn't have enough doctors and nurses to cope with normal illness numbers, let alone a pandemic.

1. Many NHS vacancies were plugged by staff from the EU. But guess what? The Conservatives decided to have a Brexit referendum, and half of the country thought it would be a great idea to leave the EU, and with it, lose all of those wonderful people who had come here to plug our staffing gaps. An existing problem therefore only got progressively worse as the pandemic hit.

1. The care industry has also been chronically underfunded for years. As with the NHS, many vacancies were filled with EU staff. As explained above, Brexit meant many of those staff left. So now we have a huge care crisis, which has led to up to 10% of patients in hospitals being bed blockers - they are medically well but can't leave because no care package can be put in place for them. It is these people who are causing hospitals to be overcrowded. Not people with covid who didn't get a vaccine.

Steps 1-4 could all have been addressed by better government policy. Some of these issues could have meaningfully been alleviated since the pandemic started, if the government was run by competent people who could be arsed to get their act together and look out for the good of their country's citizens, rather than shagging around, backstabbing one another, and finding numerous inventive excuses for getting around the restrictions they themselves invented.

But they didn't. And because they know they didn't, and they don't want people blaming them for this mess, they've found a great way to dodge the blame (they're very good at this). They've blamed the whole shitshow on unvaccinated people. The media are helping them push this message. And a lot of people are very willing to lap it up, and have gathered their pile of stones and are busy throwing them.

People like you.

I'm not disputing that the percentage of vaccinated in Liverpool is teh same as anywhere else.

I was just reporting what I am hearing from my family member and their friends, who fits into the demographic being discussed.

@AnimalGirl2022

I'm vaccine free and accidentally did a 5km with Covid. Might be a good idea to look up the definition of 'unvaccinated.' You might be shocked.

What’s that got to do with anything? Just because you managed to do 5km it doesn’t mean there are not people who are unvaccinated in ICU 😬. I didn’t have any symptoms with covid, doesn’t mean others won’t die.

I'm vaccine free and accidentally did a 5km with Covid. Might be a good idea to look up the definition of 'unvaccinated.' You might be shocked

How do you accidentally do a 5km run ? were you being chased by a pack of wild dogs ? As long as you have a BMI of less than 23 you are absolutely blameless as far as those who follow a anti-vaccine agenda, if you tip over to 24 and end up in hospital well, you can see from this thread how that will pan out.

@NannaMcPhoo

However, it's the unvaccinated ones, no matter what their BMI, who are in hospital in the article. Some of the die hard anti vaxxers on here are getting absolutely desperate now

@visitingagain

Yes we get that but would they be in hospital if there were unvaccinated but slim? That is the million dollar question. I suggest in many cases not.

@NannaMcPhoo it really really is the unvaccinated not those who have a raised BMI. Just the same as there will be a small percentage of a high number of boosted individuals in ICU, there will be a high percentage of a small number of unvaccinated. There could be a range of comorbidities that cut across all those in ICU - age, immunosuppressed, and they may have a raised BMI because of these comorbidities - sometimes it's difficult to exercise if you're ill. The one thing that they have in common isn't being fat " because they didn't try hard enough" They aren't vaccinated.

@Flaxmeadow as long as they have a BMI of 23 or under they will get support online, anything over that and their new special friends will drop them if they need to go to hospital as they have 'an underlying condition'

On another note,why are we all bought into this idea that overweight women are lazy, slackers, out of control, authors of their own downfall etc.
There are so many reasons why we get a bit fat- hormones, pregnancy, poverty and access to shit foods, the food industry and the idea of treats, alcohol and self medication of trauma. In my life I've been everything from a size 10 to an 18, sometimes post pregnancy, menopause, sometimes a thyroid problem, sometimes stress and work, sometimes injury stopping exercise.
This isn't my fault it's just life.
Why are we buying into such judgements? How can people who are unvaccinated expect anyone else to support them when they are so happy to judge others.

A consultant told me yesterday 90% of the people in our ICU are unvaccinated.

their new special friends will drop them if they need to go to hospital as they have 'an underlying condition

Oh yes, its like wading through a mountain of shite

Two fucking years, two years of geeking and posting on covid and sciences, trying so hard to understand. Harvard, Oxford, Imperial College and all the best universities and scientist's in the world. Not saying i understand everything they say but apparently that means nothing compared to some dickhead fucking clown on Twitter, YouTube or Facebook

My own family believe those bastards before they believe me. ME who loves them. ME who wants to protect them. Protect MY family, MY neighbourhood,

@JSL52

A consultant told me yesterday 90% of the people in our ICU are unvaccinated.

They had the matron of St Georges Tooting on ITV News a couple of days ago saying about 90% of those in ICU there are unvaccinated and the rest severely immune compromised

That sounds hard Flax

I’ve found we’re all alike in my family, same type of education and background experiences. We’ll take the vaccines and moreover grateful to hard work behind it all that we can.

JSL52
A consultant told me yesterday 90% of the people in our ICU are unvaccinated

I can well believe it

@Flaxmeadow

JSL52 A consultant told me yesterday 90% of the people in our ICU are unvaccinated

I can well believe it

They had the matron of St Georges Tooting on ITV News a couple of days ago saying about 90% of those in ICU there are unvaccinated and the rest severely immune compromised

Not true. The figure was actually 97% but included everyone who hadn't had a booster. This meant people who'd had 1 or 2 jabs were classed as unvaccinated. It would be interesting to find out how many other hospitals are categorising their unvaccinated in the same way as it would explain some of the very high figures.

insidecroydon.com/2021/12/18/97-of-south-west-london-covid-patients-are-unvaccinated/

Smells like bullshit to me. I'd like to know more about stats across the whole of Liverpool. They do only test the unvaccinated In hospital for covid you know so we don't really know if these people are in for covid or just also have it. We also don't know why they've all been placed in one ward.

Because it's a highly contagious disease that kills people. They can't be put anywhere else in hospitals which will also be treating other seriously ill and injured people. That's obvious, surely?

@nojudgementhere

It would be interesting to find out how many other hospitals are categorising their unvaccinated in the same way as it would explain some of the very high figures.

90% of ICU patients are unvaccinated is unbelievably high to you? When the vaccine is known to reduce the chance of severe illness?
Really?

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@nojudgementhere

It would be interesting to find out how many other hospitals are categorising their unvaccinated in the same way as it would explain some of the very high figures.

90% of ICU patients are unvaccinated is unbelievably high to you? When the vaccine is known to reduce the chance of severe illness?
Really?[/quote]
Yes 90% does sound very high when you consider only 35% - 40% of admissions are unvaccinated. Have you read the link I provided as it gives a good example of how people with 1 & 2 jabs are being classed as unvaccinated in a group of hospitals in London? I'm wondering if this relates to other hospitals too?

Not true. The figure was actually 97% but included everyone who hadn't had a booster. This meant people who'd had 1 or 2 jabs were classed as unvaccinated. It would be interesting to find out how many other hospitals are categorising their unvaccinated in the same way as it would explain some of the very high figures

You're talking about different things - that report is across all SW London hospitals and the numbers not fully vaccinated

I was talking about St George's Tooting only and the ITV interview with its matron where she specified unvaccinated.

So do you think that if 35-40% of admissions are unvaccinated, it should follow that ICU should only have around 35-40% unvaccinated?
You don't believe that the vaccine could be helping prevent some of the patients admitted from needing ICU?

@SquirmOfEels

Not true. The figure was actually 97% but included everyone who hadn't had a booster. This meant people who'd had 1 or 2 jabs were classed as unvaccinated. It would be interesting to find out how many other hospitals are categorising their unvaccinated in the same way as it would explain some of the very high figures

You're talking about different things - that report is across all SW London hospitals and the numbers not fully vaccinated

I was talking about St George's Tooting only and the ITV interview with its matron where she specified unvaccinated.

St George's Tooting is mentioned as one of the hospitals that classes 'unvaccinated' as people who haven't had a booster so when the nurse specified unvaccinated I would imagine she was referring to people who've had 0, 1 or 2 jabs.

@nojudgementhere could it be that those who are unvaccinated end up being the ones needing the most care, so end up in ICU ? so those who are vaccinated and end up in hospital might just need some extra oxygen and steroids for a couple of days before being discharged ?