Why have people forgotten February 2020 ?

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When Northern Italy was in a terrible state - dreadful scenes of overrun hospitals and over 70s were told to stay at home if they were ill because they were being deprioritised for beds. In China the situation (that we could see) wasn’t thrilling either.

And now we have people - posters on here - saying that there’s no point in vaccines “because they don’t reduce transmission” and people don’t get that ill anyway.

I don’t think the world shut down in 2020 for a laugh, and certainly not for some nefarious purpose to which so many were privy but has never been revealed .

placemats crossposted

Not that I will see my daughter and her partner as was previously planned, because she lives in London, E1, and I'm in Cheshire. I was so looking forward to seeing them, plus the cat and they were looking forward to travelling abroad, during which time I was going to look after the cat - otherwise known as gorgeous boy.

Yes, it's incredibly disappointing. But she is not alone at Christmas and neither am I. All my family have someone to be with. And I know this is something to be celebrated and thankful for.

Although it's awful what happened in Italy, there are atrocities all over the world. And of course it is not OK, but I wear my masks and do daily lft's.
I had no nativity this year, my nanny died of loneliness and dementia and I missed her funeral because of this shit show. The government have done a shit job all along and we hear more stories of them doing their own thing.
I've tried to do the right thing, and will isolate if I test positive. I am vaxxed and boosted. I will not lockdown again.

I was in London in August. @Emilyontmoor

Met friends and extended family too then.

DockoftheBay Covid has put us in lockdown in London already. The government actually putting a framework on it that actually supports the economy is all that is missing

For those at the back, I was planning to go to London next week for the New Year.

I don’t think people have forgotten, I remember it well but things are different now, we know more about covid, how it spreads and how it effects people, we have tests, we have vaccines and we have treatments (a anti viral drug?), people know how to do their best to prevent it. We are not in the same situation as we were 2 years ago.

placemats I was in Central London early last week, the one Christmas event that did not get cancelled but this week is a very different situation. Even in my burb the incidence amongst the working population has now climbed to Central London levels.

This really feels much worse than 2020 because it has bought the economy to its knees so rapidly.

It's interesting that people leap to assume that people don't remember March 2020, and that people think it's OK or even clever to assume and declare that people who feel differently to them about something are:

Thick
Anti-vaxxers
Anti-lockdown
Selfish
Unaffected by covid personally

What do you think that says about you? (Hint: nothing good)

Why isn't it acceptable that people have different perspectives on a situation that has affected people in very different ways?

I am none of the above list (I guess I ought not to make assumptions about whether I'm thick or not, but records would suggest I'm not), but neither do I think we can or should be living in the same state of paralysing fear as March 2020. We have learnt a lot since then, we have developed vaccines since then, we have all lost a lot since then. Very little is the same. It's possible to remember March 2020 without feeling and living precisely like those circumstances dictated.

Some of the comments on here are shameful.

And anecdotally I am hearing of multiple cases in that age group amongst the vaccinated, in some cases getting infected for a third time.

From one of the people that helped in the Moderna vaccine

Omicron will not set us back to square one.

We have tests that detect it.
We have therapies.
We have vaccines.

This is NOT March 2020.

Get vaccinated. Get the world vaccinated. Get boosted. It not only restores protection, it exceeds.

This doesn’t need to be so hard.

I have LC and have required counselling for PTSD. I was pretty ill with covid and needed steroids and antibiotics. The vision of seeing one lady sat in bed doing the crossword, albeit on high levels of fio2 quickly progressing to being proned then tubed/ventilated and finally dying 12 hours later is something I can't forget and undoubtedly increased my anxiety about covid. Nor can I forget the 10 year old lad who lost his mum just before christmas to covid. Luckily we weren't so hardened to it that we raised almost £500 for him. Obviously that doesn't make up for his mum dying but it was something positive for us to do, to let him know we cared. But hey ho someones need to socialise trumps helping to keep others safe.
Appreciate my experience of covid is extreme, how many folk on here have ever stepped inside a red area ICU ? Covid for them is just old people and the vulnerable clogging things up and inconveniencing them. What the government needs to do is provide financial support for businesses until we know whether the new variant is indeed harmless and life can go on.

*We have tests that detect it.
We have therapies.
We have vaccines.

This is NOT March 2020. *

^^ This
They are sequencing and sharing info so scientists around the world can share and learn about the virus and monitor variants.

In March 2020 barely anything was known by the experts.

@DockOTheBay I haven’t argued for lockdown for this wave but I do accept that the situation is such that it might be a choice between that or societal upheaval/harm beyond that done by lockdowns; that’s the point though isn’t it? The projections for all factors are worse without lockdown than with it. The end result is much the same from an individual perspective but I’d argue one has better outcomes because of its controlled nature and aim to reduce the impact of any blow along with a focus on a holder of responsibility.

We’re seeing it currently with calls from the hospitality industry for financial help even though they can operate pretty much without restriction. You could argue that the media is fear-mongering and I’d agree there is some truth it that, but the alternative is that we lose the facts along with the biased reporting because the facts don’t change without the opinion.

I’d much rather your implied forecast comes to pass but I can’t ignore reality to take one option completely off the table.

People do have short memories. And there were lots of people who weren't concerned in Feb 2020. I remember all the arguments on here with them.

But they may also be misunderstanding scientific journal articles that focus on the usual progression of a pandemic.

What I do know is that calling people thick day in and day out, never brought anyone to a cause. I do wonder if all the abusive posters on both sides deliberately want to entrench the others in the views.

@Emilyontmoor

placemats I was in Central London early last week, the one Christmas event that did not get cancelled but this week is a very different situation. Even in my burb the incidence amongst the working population has now climbed to Central London levels.

This really feels much worse than 2020 because it has bought the economy to its knees so rapidly.

I was in London in February 2020 to see my daughter then, last time I saw her before August 2021. Even then we wore masks, kept our distance and washed our hands regularly.

This thread has extreme and oddly aggressive posts

Demand is down in London as seen in figures but it’s still pretty busy when we go out - to lunch etc

The dc don’t need to be stuck at home

@EasterIssland

From one of the people that helped in the Moderna vaccine

Omicron will not set us back to square one.

We have tests that detect it.
We have therapies.
We have vaccines.

This is NOT March 2020.

Get vaccinated. Get the world vaccinated. Get boosted. It not only restores protection, it exceeds.

This doesn’t need to be so hard.

Yep

@aoeu people have been going hungry and cold for years. Some as in hundreds of thousands of children have lived in poverty, with poor education, abuse etc for years. Did you care then or only when your kids are temporarily affected ?

People are sucked in by conspiracy theories because they think there must be something bigger at play than a virus. They believe in things like the big reset, government control and reducing population. Like the whole world shut down, due to a virus! That's preposterous. But it's not look at the death toll in the UK, 150,000 people have died, this is on top of the ususal deaths. The NHS has all but collapsed, ambulances waiting 3/4/5/6 hours to get their patients into A&E.

Its also the government too, and their actions, all the photos coming out and news of parties, when the rest of us were stuck at home.

What the deniers of Covid don't realise is that it's their own stupidity that's partially causing us to continually need masks and lock downs, we will be in lock down after Christmas, back to WFH, nightclubs/pubs/restaurants closed, only essential shops open.

It does suck, but it isn't to control the population, its to manage the NHS, reduce admissions, and reduce the spread of the virus.

There needs to be a strong, coherent, and direct message to everyone that gives us the facts, the plan, and the why. Not mealy mouthed mumbling bumbling Boris though, he needs to jog on.

The Covid Conspiracy Club needs to be ignored, literally, no airtime, no articles, no newspaper columns. Let them pout about it and bang on about being "freeman of the land" let them embarrass themselves. A lot of the absolute bollocks they spout is from America and QAnon, it's just unbelievable that people believe this bollocks, and can't tell something real from something fake.

Like, don't they realise that we'd probably be out of it now without the dithering from Boris, the lies from QAnon, and the "Freeman of the Land" crew.

The spread of Omicron is so virulent now that of course people will panic and impose their own lockdowns. It may well be mild but many who can afford it and who work from home will not take the chance of getting it.

Trains cancelled left right and centre.

I felt bloody brilliant after my Moderna vaccine. Personally, I want one every six months.

I was in London in February 2020 to see my daughter then, last time I saw her before August 2021. Even then we wore masks, kept our distance and washed our hands regularly.

Were you in the same country or shielding?

The irony is : we ll never be rid of it thanks to the unvaccinated. Like nits or the flu, it’ll keep adapting to that that chink in the armour.
I can’t believe they’ve not discussed what to do with purposefully unvaccinated people in icu. But I suppose they’ll still treat junkies etc so….
It IS frustrating to be vaccinated, only to be told it’s not enough and yes, you do feel like : well when will be enough ? But it’s like teenagers complaining? Or moaning about the weather. It is IS. It’s here. Just get a vaccine. Don’t party with 15 people in your hot tub ..

• I live in a very studenty part of town and I can tell you that loads and loads of them partied and didn’t comply -what a waste of your own money