Why do people keep saying the unvaccinated are what’s keeping the pandemic going?

[Keytomyheart]

That would be true if the vaccinated couldn’t catch it and spread it, but they can.

So how are the unvaccinated prolonging this? Because I’m not understanding it.

Btw I am vaxxed, but not decided on booster yet.

Because they are the ones taking up hospital beds.

Because they are a major factor.

They et the disease more readily and more severely, and are hugely over represented in hospital admissions.

Want to cut covid ICU admissions by 70% or more? Get everyone vaccinated

Because the human psyche finds it easier to blame “Debbie from Facebook” than accept how small and insignificant we are against Mother Nature.

A virus doing what a virus does and we can’t even see it with the named eye and certainly can’t control it.

Burn Debbie 🔥!

Factoring in the need for ICU beds for unvaccinated is what's cancelling lots of surgeries right now. They would need to plan for far less ventilated covid patients if everyone was vaccinated.

they are the ones filling up the hospital beds and making up the large % of those dying, which is the data that is used when deciding to go Into another lockdown and more restrictions.

My db, triple vaxxed "took up" an ICU bed.

Largely the unvaccinated are younger people at less risk.

I got covid from a vaccinated person. I am vaccinated also.

Because the reason for restrictions is because of limited NHS capacity.

And the unvaccinated are far more likely to need medical help if they catch it.

If everyone was vaccinated we could lift restrictions and let it spread more rapidly without fear of the NHS being overwhelmed.

I can’t understand why you’d be happy to have two jabs but not three, what is your reasoning?

Say someone who has had all three jabs is exposed to someone with Covid.
The chance of them catching it is lower.
If they do catch it, the chance of them passing it on to someone else is lower.
They are also less likely to become seriously ill, which reduces the strain on our NHS.

Someone unvaccinated is more likely to catch it, more likely to pass it on and more likely to become seriously ill.

www.wikihow.com/Calculate-Probability

@gsaoej

My db, triple vaxxed "took up" an ICU bed.

Largely the unvaccinated are younger people at less risk.

I got covid from a vaccinated person. I am vaccinated also.

I got Covid from a vaccinated person too. Doesn't mean that the unvaccinated aren't taking up the majority of Covid hospital beds. Because they are.

It’s not to do with who is catching covid but who is using the hospital resources.
The majority of people now requiring hospital treatment are unvaccinated people.

The vaccinated can still catch, spread and get ill from it but are less likely to get sick enough to need to go to hospital.

This would be true if they couldn't catch it and spread it, but they can - but are far less likely to.

Because it gives them a completely illusory feeling of control

Of course there's nothing we can do to control this now, short of locking ourselves in isolation from one another, which is of course impossible.

Because hospital beds are full of unvaccinated people despite most people having had vaccinations. You are less likely to catch it, less likely to get symptoms, less likely to be actually ill enough to need medical attention and need it for less time if you do.The charts say it all (shown at press conferences) in January before vaccination 7x as many were in hospital with the same level of positive tests

Because of the desperate need to blame someone for something that is out of our control. I am vaccinated but I think the attitudes towards those who exercise their rights NOT to be, are quite disgusting. Quite frankly, it's bordering on coercion.

OP, get your booster. It will raise your protection against omicron infection from 30% to over 70%. And your protection from earlier variants to over 90%. It is the single most useful thing you can do.
The unvaccinated are more likely to get infected, more likely to spread it, and more likely to need ITU or die, than vaccinated and boostered people. Why do you think London is faring so badly, with it’s 33% of people completely unvaccinated?

The unvaccinated are more likely to catch it, pass it on, become ill and become seriously ill.

It's not purely the hospital numbers. We can't cope as a society if a percentage of our workforce is ill, whether hospitalised or not.

Also the more people that catch it, the greater the risk of further mutations.

The vaccinated can catch it, pass it on and become ill - but it vastly reduced numbers. That's the key point, the reduction in numbers of cases, illness and hospitalisations in the vaccinated.

‘That would be true if the vaccinated couldn’t catch it and spread it, but they can. ‘

Because it’s not about can vs can’t, it’s about more vs less likely to.
It applies to catching, spreading, being very sick and dying: vaccination isn’t a magic bullet against any of these things but makes it much less likely.

If everyone who could had the vaccine there would be a lot fewer people in hospital and fewer deaths. Covid wouldn’t magically disappear but it would be much less of a problem.

Most things in life aren’t all or nothing, I don’t know why so many people think covid should be.

My friends boyfriend works in our local ICU and it’s mostly full of people who are unvaccinated. Their biggest problem is though lots of them and their families still don’t believe covid exists/that’s why they are in hospital. Making it all so much harder to deal with, taking more time/more resources. The whole thing is fucked.

Non vaccinated know that they’re more likely to catch and spread the virus, and get seriously ill if the catch it.

There are of course outliers, like the poster above’s DB. No one is disputing that Omicron is definitely spreading faster and easier, but in the vaccinated it is in the main only causing mild illness.

Unvaccinated are more likely to need ICU/hospital beds as they’ve nothing to fight it with. This is NEW, the immune system hasn’t met it before. If meningitis spread this easily, would you not have a vaccine to prevent it? Every ICU bed occupied by a Covid patient is an ICU bed not available to the usual types of thing requiring the bed. And this is why the unvaccinated are getting the blame - we don’t have the beds or the staff or specialists. If we all had the jobs then we wouldn’t necessarily have to self isolate with a + test, if you felt ok to work.

While we have significant numbers of unvaccinated, every time a new variant crashes in we will be back to this shit. So, yes, they will be blamed.

Vaccination doesn't stop people catching it or passing ,but I thought it greatly reduced the likely hood of both ?

@HailAdrian

Because of the desperate need to blame someone for something that is out of our control. I am vaccinated but I think the attitudes towards those who exercise their rights NOT to be, are quite disgusting. Quite frankly, it's bordering on coercion.

I think everyone has a right to choose, but there's nothing wrong with stating facts about hospital rates for unvaccinated. If you're going to remain voluntarily unvaccinated you have to be prepared to deal with the criticism and the consequences.

Because you can't blame the virus - basically because it doesn't have a brain so can't respond - so you blame the next best thing.

I wasn't talking about Boris, I was genuinely talking about little Covid-19

@HailAdrian

Because of the desperate need to blame someone for something that is out of our control. I am vaccinated but I think the attitudes towards those who exercise their rights NOT to be, are quite disgusting. Quite frankly, it's bordering on coercion.

Really, what sort of attitude would you like me to have towards say Piers Corbyn, a well known anti vaxxer because I’m afraid right now my attitude is he is vile.