I’m just not doing this

[Peekapopple]

I just can’t. My DD has just started to get better from the hideous anxiety she suffered after the last lockdown/ home school. I am about to see my parents who I’ve not seen in two years . A circuit breaker will just turn in to another lockdown. I can’t sit and watch our town turn back in to a bleak ghost town. Boarded up cafes and shops as yet another business fails. Being shouted at in supermarkets for turning the wrong way by accident. Why the hell if the NHS is so unfit for purpose and so easily overwhelmed don’t the idiots in charge inject some cash in to it pronto. Recruit more staff, throw up some temporary buildings. Just bloody well get on with it. They’ve had plenty of time now to get organised. Stop workers having to keep isolating when they get it. Unless people are actually ill we should be in work. We have to see that this is just wrong now. It has to stop. Enough

I don’t think you realise how close you are to the truth.

Of course I mean all children not just those I know

@Wizzbangfizz

I'm with you OP but you will get slated and screams of selfish on here.

However in the real non mumsnet world the majority of people feel like this which is why I think Boris is hedging his bets right now and hoping the virus is staying mild. And as for being seen by a covid positive nurse - I wouldn't have a problem with anyone with a mild asymptomatic condition treating me.

What do vulnerable people about life then if there is chance anyone they interact with is potentially got covid and passing it on to them life threatening? Just stay in their house indefinitely?

Totally agree OP. So nice to read some sense on here.
Sadly it seems only covid deaths matter these days. Who cares about all the other ailments that dont get treated properly because the world has gone mad
Most ppl have had their jab, so lets just get on with normal life already! This is insane.

I agree with you OP.
I’m triple vaxxed & can scarcely believe that here we are again.
I saw someone say on another thread that they believe that continued lockdowns in the winter will be forever. That is seriously too depressing and soul destroying to contemplate.
On another note, whatever happened to Nanny? They’d be relishing this latest turn of events.
Much love to you & yours, OP. This too, shall pass.

@RosaMoline

I agree with you OP. I’m triple vaxxed & can scarcely believe that here we are again. I saw someone say on another thread that they believe that continued lockdowns in the winter will be forever. That is seriously too depressing and soul destroying to contemplate. On another note, whatever happened to Nanny? They’d be relishing this latest turn of events. Much love to you & yours, OP. This too, shall pass.

If winter lockdowns become an ongoing situation I will move to a less crazy country that doesnt impose that rubbish on its citizens!

@Peekapopple

Parents life limiting illnesses and terrified of mixing. I miss them.

I appreciate my post may appear ignorant but it’s born out of utter despair, anger and frustration. My daughter’s mental health situation became incredibly serious and it has changed me irrevocably I think.

I just think we are being controlled and told half truths. Our politicians want to control us and they lie every with impunity

Ur clearly vulnerable , the goverment however useless r not trying to control us. The whole world is trying to get out of this pandemic! It doesnt benefit the goverment paying out millions of pounds to furlong the country. It literally the opposite of what they want. But it was needed to provent spread. I dont think their will he another lockdown the government cannot afford to pay out millions again. They dont want businesses to fail. Its bad for the economy

Op what kind of mental health issues has your daughter had? My boy was sectioned a couple of days before last Christmas. He was suffering from a serious psychotic break and we ended up having to phone the police because literally nobody would help us. We still don’t know whether he has schizophrenia or not. Lockdowns and social isolation haven’t helped but we are where we are. There is literally no point getting worked up into a lather about things that haven’t happened yet. I’m a teacher and we all have covid now due to me bringing it home from school. If we can have a circuit breaker of some kind it might just help us carry on in January without remote learning. Which most teachers hate by the way.

Money. They don't want to pay the staff more and they don't want to make it fit for purpose.

They did build more buildings, in the form of nightingale hospitals, then couldn't staff them. Even if they tried to now people are leaving existing hospitals in droves because of shit wages, shit "pay rises" and shit conditions.

But it's ok. They got to party at number 10 and we got one, single free pizza and a shit pay rise (actually 2 slices of pizza each if you were lucky to be on shift at that moment).

But it's ok. They got to party at number 10 and we got one, single free pizza and a shit pay rise (actually 2 slices of pizza each if you were lucky to be on shift at that moment).

Exactly. They're prepared to let the nhs disintegrate, while putting the public under restrictions that they have no intention of observing themselves.

@Peekapopple

If your 20.14 post was in reply to mine: please, come off MN and seek professional help or succour wherever and however you can. This isn’t where you’re going to find what you need. Dig deep, work out what you need to get through it, get it.

Good luck. I’ve been there. You can do it.

It’s a really difficult time but it’s not possible to fix decades of underfunding just like that.

If it’s any comfort I don’t think schools or shops will close, I think it will be limited.

It is shit though I know. Just follow as many rules as you reasonably can.

I looked into retraining into nursing early last year and going into health care sector but changed my mind when I saw the cost. I'm sure i'm not the only one.

Also just another point to make,
I'm unwell with a cough, runny nose ect with a negative PCR's, but still allowed to go into the public and expected in the office, yet, theres hundreds/thousands isolating with zero symptoms at all. Doesn't make sense.

And referring to previous comments 'would you want to be seen by a covid positive asymptomatic nurse?'
I've been seen by health professionals (whilst I was pregnant) who were coughing and sneezing with streaming colds and it's not bothered me before.

@TheKeatingFive

Shouldn’t they be throwing money at social care?

Absolutely that too

To what end?

Unless we make being a carer a more attractive proposition, care work is going to continue to be in crisis. And it isn't about hourly rate, it's working hours, shift patterns, status etc.

I’m going to leave this thread now. I think so many posters are determined to read in to my post and making huge assumptions; that I’m not educated, I don’t follow restrictions, I can manage my daughter’s mental health issues by taking her out of school ( in fact it was this that caused them). None of those statements are remotely true. As with any parent my priorities are my children and that won’t change. This is as it should be. Thanks again to the many of you who have showed kindness and compassion x

@Nomorecoco

Also just another point to make, I'm unwell with a cough, runny nose ect with a negative PCR's, but still allowed to go into the public and expected in the office, yet, theres hundreds/thousands isolating with zero symptoms at all. Doesn't make sense.

And referring to previous comments 'would you want to be seen by a covid positive asymptomatic nurse?'
I've been seen by health professionals (whilst I was pregnant) who were coughing and sneezing with streaming colds and it's not bothered me before.

But a stinking cold is far, far less likely to kill a pregnant woman than covid is.

And it isn't about hourly rate

Actually, as a cater if I was offered a 40k salary instead of a 18k one I would be far, far less bothered about the working pattern.

For me, it's the pay and the shit treatment from ALL angles. Literally everyone treats you like shit. The management, patients, relatives, government, general public. Everyone. Even so, 40k over 18k would have made that far, far more tolerable.

Unless we make being a carer a more attractive proposition, care work is going to continue to be in crisis. And it isn't about hourly rate, it's working hours, shift patterns, status etc.

I'd be very interested to see the models of care used in other countries. I'm presuming not everyone has the proportion of hospital beds taken up as the U.K. has.

In a way I kind of agree I suppose! I am sceptical of the figures as I am unclear if they mean people who died FROM covid or they died whilst being covid positive, of a different cause. I'm really suspicious the numbers are scaremongering which isn't good for anyone's morale or mental health. Colder weather sadly makes some people extremely vulnerable to any infection etc.

Either way, lockdown after lockdown is not sustainable. All the isolating to protect the clinically vulnerable is all well and good, if no one ever went out or came into contact with another human outside of their home ever again. Its starting to feel so complicated, with all the Take an LFT but that doesn't actually count for anything so get a PCR and isolate, if anyone in your household has a cough or a temperature isolate (in larger families that essentially means isolating pretty much permanently this time of year), if your phone 'pings' isolate. I agree there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.

I'm sorry if I explained myself really badly. Struggling with it all at the moment.

I don't agree however that it's a case of just giving the NHS more money and problems solved. There would be so much more to it than that.

If I have months of just myself and DD at home again I'll have a breakdown. That's not an idle comment - my job is extremely demanding and I'm a lone parent. I just can't homeschool and do my job, it's not possible. My mental health was bad during the last lockdown and I lost a cousin to suicide. I will continue to see any friends and family members who will have me.

I think youre right to be angery, we have had excessive deaths more so then other countries. We shouldnt be asking why wont the government train more staff or put decent amount of money in the future but why havent they in the past, we've been warned that this might happen.

You make it sound like covid and the pandemic is the fault of the NHS. Not something that happened to it and us through no fault of our own.

Secondly on just throwing up some hospital buildings & magic some nurses. It takes more than 2 years to train to be a medical professional and we need more people at grass roots which takes years. Thirdly, you saw the mothballed covid field hospitals. Fourthly, blame the Tories so many people voted in for the underfunding crisis.

No one asked for this

I can’t imagine why anyone would want to train to be a nurse after hearing all the negatives associated with the job. Long hours, staff shortages, poor pay, minimal pensions, and they was before covid!

sosick

The hospital data is massively reassuring!

The figures have hardly changed - we had higher figres throughout all of october and November this year

Whilst 900 are admitted per day (or similar), numbers in hospital are hardly increasing, therefore people must be 'in and out' every day. Let's not forget that 1/4 are not in 'for' covid. Stays are much shorter now as people are less sick.

We had 40,000 at one point so 7000 is much less by comparison

There are almost 2000 uk hospitals - i'm sure each can cope with the numbers we have given its 2-3 per site on average!

So many say the nhs is 'overwhelmed' i cant understand how it coped last year then!! (i have many nhs friends and none say its overwhelmed by the way)

Last year Vs this year:

Isolations for contacts - no isolations for contacts
40000 - 7000
no vaccines - vaccines AND boosters
some treatments - better treatments

If it can't cope now then how the hell did it cope last winter? Scaremongering by bloody sage who literally haven't got a thing right since the whole things started! I hope to god our government ignore them.