I’m just not doing this

[Peekapopple]

I just can’t. My DD has just started to get better from the hideous anxiety she suffered after the last lockdown/ home school. I am about to see my parents who I’ve not seen in two years . A circuit breaker will just turn in to another lockdown. I can’t sit and watch our town turn back in to a bleak ghost town. Boarded up cafes and shops as yet another business fails. Being shouted at in supermarkets for turning the wrong way by accident. Why the hell if the NHS is so unfit for purpose and so easily overwhelmed don’t the idiots in charge inject some cash in to it pronto. Recruit more staff, throw up some temporary buildings. Just bloody well get on with it. They’ve had plenty of time now to get organised. Stop workers having to keep isolating when they get it. Unless people are actually ill we should be in work. We have to see that this is just wrong now. It has to stop. Enough

And still
After nearly 2 years, people still don't get it.

This partly why we are fucked.

I’m with you OP! Unpopular to say that on here mind! Oh and with my in-laws!! Hahaha!!!

Why the hell if the NHS is so unfit for purpose and so easily overwhelmed don’t the idiots in charge inject some cash in to it pronto. Recruit more staff, throw up some temporary buildings

They have. The pandemic has seen more money per patient put in to the NHS since it started. We've put up temporary buildings - my hospital turned its canteen into an ICU. The 20 bed surgical recovery bay was turned in to a 40 bed ICU. We increased our hospital capacity from 1400 to nearly 2000. We've recruited staff and trained up HCPs but we cannot find enough staff, not in the UK and not abroad. It takes 3years to train a nurse, we can't magic up drs and nurses. And recruiting from abroad has become much much harder since Brexit.

You're angry with the wrong people. It's the idiots refusing to have the vaccine or wear masks who are causing this.

It takes 3years to train a nurse

Well we should be more than half way through training a large amount of additional recruits. I bet we aren't though.

@TheKeatingFive

And we are not the only country doing this, others have covid passports, lockdowns etc

It is worth noting that many countries never went as far as banning people from seeing their loved ones inside. That to me was completely overstepping the mark.

I agree. People seeing each other thru windows was just too much

@Thewiseoneincognito

Oh look a tantrum throwing I won’t comply thread 🙄 yawnnnnn

Yet another uneducated OP who has zero concept of the wider situation around them, seriously how do they get through everyday life? Better still how do they find the MN Coronavirus threads? Is someone linking this from the swap and sell Facebook groups?

Your comment is disgraceful. The coronavirus board should be a place where anyone can post about their fears or worries relating to the pandemic and not be bullied or ostracised. I have been utterly disgusted by the rhetoric demonstrated on this board today.

@Thewiseoneincognito

Oh look a tantrum throwing I won’t comply thread 🙄 yawnnnnn

Yet another uneducated OP who has zero concept of the wider situation around them, seriously how do they get through everyday life? Better still how do they find the MN Coronavirus threads? Is someone linking this from the swap and sell Facebook groups?

STFU

This is such a horrible thread. The OP is dealing with a child with serious mental health issues. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, it's horrific and devastating. She's allowed to be frustrated and afraid.

FGS. Show some damn compassion.

@Peekapopple sending you so much love, solidarity and best wishes. I feel we need a thread where it can be safe to talk about our mentally unwell DC without the pile on. It would be good to have one away from this board, perhaps in chat or somewhere else. If you want I can try and come back later and start one as I could use some support too.

Thanks so much for all the kindness. It is much appreciated.

@Skade likewise I’m utterly disgusted at the rhetoric these folks who start these threads are perpetuating. Throwing a tantrum because they’re too self centred to consider the impacts their non compliance has on everyone else.

@Cripesitsthegasman19 😘

@Wizzbangfizz

I'm with you OP but you will get slated and screams of selfish on here.

However in the real non mumsnet world the majority of people feel like this which is why I think Boris is hedging his bets right now and hoping the virus is staying mild. And as for being seen by a covid positive nurse - I wouldn't have a problem with anyone with a mild asymptomatic condition treating me.

So true

Why the hell if the NHS is so unfit for purpose and so easily overwhelmed don’t the idiots in charge inject some cash in to it pronto

The Tories don’t want to. They want to destroy the NHS so they can sell it off and make lots of money.

Recruit more staff, throw up some temporary buildings

See above-they don’t want the NHS to do well.

Just bloody well get on with it. They’ve had plenty of time now to get organised

See above.

Stop workers having to keep isolating when they get it

That won’t help anything.

@TheKeatingFive

It takes 3years to train a nurse

Well we should be more than half way through training a large amount of additional recruits. I bet we aren't though.

No, because each nurse needs tutors, lecturers, placements. We can magically increase the number of training places at university!

@TheKeatingFive

It takes 3years to train a nurse

Well we should be more than half way through training a large amount of additional recruits. I bet we aren't though.

You can’t just train anyone as a nurse, people have to apply and want to do the job. It’s bloody hard and thankless at times.

The shortage is in excess of 30,000 - nowhere near that number are applying and experienced nurses are leaving faster than new ones can be trained.

You and the OP both sound incredibly naïve.

No, because each nurse needs tutors, lecturers, placements. We can magically increase the number of training places at university!

They shut down multiple sectors and set up a furlough scheme within a couple of weeks. They put up hospitals in weeks also. This doesn't seem like too onerous a task in comparison.

And even if it took a year, we'd be almost a year into it by now.

It's not a question of can't, it's a question of won't.

You can’t just train anyone as a nurse, people have to apply and want to do the job. It’s bloody hard and thankless at times.

I appreciate that, but people do far worse jobs. Throwing some of the 70 billion spent on furlough on salary increases would no doubt have helped significantly.

@TheKeatingFive

No, because each nurse needs tutors, lecturers, placements. We can magically increase the number of training places at university!

They shut down multiple sectors and set up a furlough scheme within a couple of weeks. They put up hospitals in weeks also. This doesn't seem like too onerous a task in comparison.

And even if it took a year, we'd be almost a year into it by now.

It's not a question of can't, it's a question of won't.

Except that they have reinstated the bursary for student nurses and they've increased the number of places for practice educators. But the number of applicants for nursing placements is not increasing, because no one wants to work for the NHS.

And they've had a 3% salary increase. Nurses are not badly paid. They are however badly treated by the public and overworked due to understaffing.

But the number of applicants for nursing placements is not increasing, because no one wants to work for the NHS.

Salary increases would work wonders there.

If 70 billion could be found for furlough, it could be found for this.

I just don’t want my kids lives to go back in to free fall again. Or my nieces and nephews and friends’ kids.

What about mine, OP?

And every other poster’s DC?

Are you okay if every other child’s does?

I just can’t get my head around statements like “I cannot have her regress”. Don’t. Is the only thing between protecting the health of the nation, and your DD regressing, the idiotic nonsense this govt puts out? Withdraw your DD from school. Make changes to your and her home life. Support her in learning from last time. If things are so bad that you “simply cannot” - or what, death? suicide? what exactly? - then take as drastic action as you need to. What else can you do? What do you actually expect? For covid to vanish? For the known strategies for limiting its spread to suddenly unwork? For the government to put your DD and your nieces’ and nephews’ and friends’ DCs’ well-being ahead of everyone else so that they continue as usual but everybody else suffers?

(As it happens, if I lived in England I wouldn’t much change my life because my assessment of the situation is that mask wearing, not socialising with unknowns unnecessarily and not being outright stupid with risks is plenty. That’s pretty much how we live our lives anyway (bar travel and gigs and theater etc). I’m not arguing for a lockdown. I’m questioning what you actually want to happen)

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@Skade likewise I’m utterly disgusted at the rhetoric these folks who start these threads are perpetuating. Throwing a tantrum because they’re too self centred to consider the impacts their non compliance has on everyone else.

@Cripesitsthegasman19 😘[/quote]
The OP is not the person who’s throwing around insults though are they? They’re simply talking about their own lived experience. When did that become unacceptable on MN? They’re not throwing a tantrum, they want to talk about their very real worries and fears.

OP the rate infections are increasing looks to warrant some sort of more serious interventions because having huge numbers of people off sick and isolating if they are unwell is going to have a massive impact on all essential services not only the NHS. All public health services, council services, supply chains for food and medication....We really do need to slow this down if we can. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

Shouldn’t they be throwing money at social care? I thought 1 in 10 patients in hospital can’t go home as they have no care packages. I think councils need to bring this back in house and stop paying agencies such low rates that they are handing contracts back. Lots of adverts for care workers round here but it’s all 9.50- £10. There are lots of easier ways to make that an hour.

Shouldn’t they be throwing money at social care?

Absolutely that too