A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas

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Reported by The Times and The Guardian which means another NYE stuck indoors...

'would rather they looked at the data coming out of SA showing that hospitalisations decreased by 91% without any additional restrictions and not rush into any rash decisions.'

Which is what they have been doing. Wearing face covers the last couple of weeks is hardly rash.

If our hospitalisations surge they will have to do something to slow it.

When they talk about two weeks staying in is there mention of support for people not working? If not, that is totally unreasonable.

Why would the Government expect anyone to comply with the rules when they don't follow the rules themselves? You only had to look at the Tory benches in Parliament to see how many weren't wearing masks & then there is partygate.

My thoughts.

Yes, the government had parties during lockdown. This government is corrupt. But I don’t suddenly become corrupt just because the government is so why would I want to copy them.

I think it makes sense to have a circuit breaker after Christmas, if we’re going to have one. It’s common for Christmas Day to be spent in relatively small family groups where people will be looking after each other and being as sensible as they can because they care about everyone who is there. And it’s common for people to celebrate NYE at huge public parties with (often hundreds of) strangers who care little about the others who are there.

I don’t think it matters whether hospital beds are taken up with vaccinated or unvaccinated patients. The issue is that beds are taken up. We need to not run out of beds, and we need other essential services to be able to continue to run unhampered by high staff absence.

I think some sort of furlough for the hospitality sector, or those parts of it that do not have outside areas.

@bumbleymummy You are out of touch and behind the times.

Whitty made it clear at the last press conference that the data coming from SA is not robust. He stopped short of being rude on TV but if you saw what he said, he made it very clear that there are possible flaws in the SA data which is why he doesn't want to use it as the basis for decisions in the UK.

Did you miss all of that?

Instead of circuit breakers, there needs to be a whole new approach to the unvaccinated.

There are shocking numbers and these are the people creating the latest surge.

More restrictions imposed on unvaccinated - they are the ones in hospital- are what's needed.

Why should the majority of people doing the right thing be penalised?

and yes, I know that any vaccine is not 100% effective BUT most people in hospital have not had jabs .

When they talk about two weeks staying in is there mention of support for people not working? If not, that is totally unreasonable.

I assume it would be like last time - work from home if you can or get furloughed, unless you are a key worker.

**Instead of circuit breakers, there needs to be a whole new approach to the unvaccinated.

There are shocking numbers and these are the people creating the latest surge.

More restrictions imposed on unvaccinated - they are the ones in hospital- are what's needed.

Why should the majority of people doing the right thing be penalised?

and yes, I know that any vaccine is not 100% effective BUT most people in hospital have not had jabs .

Is this is true then why should the rest of the population suffer? Good point.

and yes, I know that any vaccine is not 100% effective BUT most people in hospital have not had jabs

Isn’t it the other way round?

Most people in hospital are double jabbed compared to the unvaccinated

@Mumadof3 - Just wanted to say you are not alone. There are millions of people out there who haven't had the vaccine because they feel anxious and distrustful. You only need to look at the freedom protest in Parliament Square today to see that. Stay strong for your three lovely children - they will always love you no matter what. If people are going to judge you for not having a very new vaccine that has no long term data, then they're probably not people you'd want in your life anyway.

@Kennykenkencat

and yes, I know that any vaccine is not 100% effective BUT most people in hospital have not had jabs

Isn’t it the other way round?

Most people in hospital are double jabbed compared to the unvaccinated

Not sure where you read that. It's wrong.

Everything I have read says most people who are in hospital have not had jabs.

Jabs prevent serious illness and having to go to hospital. This is the whole point of vaccines.

why would anyone have them if they were more likely to end up in hospital?

[quote nojudgementhere]@Mumadof3 - Just wanted to say you are not alone. There are millions of people out there who haven't had the vaccine because they feel anxious and distrustful. You only need to look at the freedom protest in Parliament Square today to see that. Stay strong for your three lovely children - they will always love you no matter what. If people are going to judge you for not having a very new vaccine that has no long term data, then they're probably not people you'd want in your life anyway.[/quote]
And they are all deluded.

The treatment if you get covid and have to go to hospital is far worse that anything the vaccine might cause.

The most compliant in, and benefit from, lockdowns are the privileged - because they can afford it.
The rest of the workforce has no choice. They’re either key workers or those for whom no work means no income.

What an embarrassment we are as a nation. We’ve trumpeting about how quickly and efficiently we got our vaccine program into gear, how we were world leading in it, followed by our ‘impressive’ booster campaign and yet, we’re still talking about a heavy handed, inefficient method to disease control such as lockdown.

It’s ridiculous. If three vaccines in less than 12 months isn’t the way out if restrictions, then we’ll just have to live with it,

We can’t keep messing about with peoples lives, their civil rights and businesses in this way.

@JinglingHellsBells - Yes, I realise Covid treatment in hospital is horrific. However, to try and make out it is mostly unvaccinated people in hospitals at the moment is inaccurate. The latest figures suggest they are taking up 35% of the beds as opposed to 65% vaccinated. Also, the majority of deaths are now unfortunately among the vaccinated. The vaccine has been very helpful in keeping the vaccinated elderly and vulnerable out of hospital but let's not get carried away and pretend it's a magical cure.

I support all and any further restrictions 100%.

@JinglingHellsBells

Instead of circuit breakers, there needs to be a whole new approach to the unvaccinated.

There are shocking numbers and these are the people creating the latest surge.

More restrictions imposed on unvaccinated - they are the ones in hospital- are what's needed.

Why should the majority of people doing the right thing be penalised?

and yes, I know that any vaccine is not 100% effective BUT most people in hospital have not had jabs .

All of my son's flat mates at Uni were double jabbed, but all now have covid as it's spread throughout the flat over the past week. So your assertion it's the unvaxxed creating the surge is completely wrong. It's spreading through the vaxxed population too!

JinglingHellsBells

I thought Lorraine Kelly and Dr Hilary had complaints that they were giving out false facts and then the next day I think it was Martin Kemp repeated the same stats and there were more complaints.
Repeating something to make it fit the scenario you want no matter how many times you say it doesn’t make it true.

It is something like 35% are unvaccinated So that means 65% are vaccinated.

Maybe it is the vaccinated that need sanctions

@HermioneWeasley

It’s ridiculous. If three vaccines in less than 12 months isn’t the way out if restrictions, then we’ll just have to live with it,

We can’t keep messing about with peoples lives, their civil rights and businesses in this way.

The issue is that whilst I understand the sentiment, the virus will mess with people's lives, freedoms and businesses anyway.

Sometimes things are not as easy as just wishing it would all go away.

Fed up of these hypocrites. We won't be complying. Our NYE party is going ahead as planned just like all the wankers in government no doubt.
These idiots think that people can manage missing weeks off work or end up sacked.
I'm sick of hearing excuses about NHS . We have several friends who work for the NHS none of them want anymore restrictions ever again.

Just wish we had some idea what the endgame is. Previously lockdowns etc were justified as we were waiting for vaccines and treatments. What are we waiting for now? What is being offered except an endless cycle of more or less restriction?

Most pandemics burn itself out within 4 years, with the virus getting weaker or the majority of people gaining immunity. Life in 2021 was significantly more normal than 2020, especially regarding summer and travel plans. Chances are covid will wane in summer and wax in winter and there may be the occasional lockdown to buffer the health service but it will eventually fizzle out.

Everyone I know who has it currently - and the number is higher than at any time to date - is double vaccinated. Some have had their booster, most have not due to age, catching the virus just before they got to have the third dose!

@Enzbear

Fed up of these hypocrites. We won't be complying. Our NYE party is going ahead as planned just like all the wankers in government no doubt. These idiots think that people can manage missing weeks off work or end up sacked. I'm sick of hearing excuses about NHS . We have several friends who work for the NHS none of them want anymore restrictions ever again.

Hmmm your friends in the NHS mustn’t be frontline staff then.

Oppps, Here you Go, your dummy was on the floor. 🤗

We don't need a strategy based on lockdowns
We need a fit for purpose health infrastructure and service with sufficient resources and capacity to deal with a WHOLE NEW DISEASE THAT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE
That and more energy into anti-viral research and development

@Hearwego

**Instead of circuit breakers, there needs to be a whole new approach to the unvaccinated.

There are shocking numbers and these are the people creating the latest surge.

More restrictions imposed on unvaccinated - they are the ones in hospital- are what's needed.

Why should the majority of people doing the right thing be penalised?

and yes, I know that any vaccine is not 100% effective BUT most people in hospital have not had jabs .

Is this is true then why should the rest of the population suffer? Good point.

Recent Imperial college London report:

“Depending on the Delta VE estimates used (10), these estimates translate into Omicron VE estimates of between 0% and 20% PD2 and between 55% and 80% PD3 against Omicron, consistent with other estimates”

www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-49-Omicron/

So based on this, you’re going to have to include 2x vaccinated people in your blame for the surge.

Or maybe you could just stop pointing fingers at people, realise that we aren’t really going to be able to stop this variant spreading but that, thankfully, data from SA looks promising and the vaccines will help to reduce the risk of serious illness and hospitalisation in the most vulnerable groups.