A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas

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Reported by The Times and The Guardian which means another NYE stuck indoors...

I will wear a mask and have the booster but I won't be following anymore restrictions. The fact is this government have lied to us over and over circuit breaker turns into months and months , they try to pyschologically get the masses to complie with the scaremongering and gentle edging in of restrictions. They can fuck off!!! COVID is here to stay assess your own risk but life is short and for living not for hiding behind the sofa.

Lots of people not lost people.

@Cameron2012

Both myself and my Husband are in hospitality. Saying we can serve outside in January seems to be their let out clause to not pay furlough.

I'll be interested to see how they would plan to deal with hotels/self catering. Presumably we would still be "open", so they wouldn't have to pay any kind of compensation, but with no guests. I am about to write to my MP.

They’ll have to quit their jobs if they aren’t vaccinated by April. I don’t know a single one who isn’t.

Why not impose a lockdown on the unvaccinated?

We are never going to have an unvaccinated only lockdown because it would be unenforceable and there's not a chance in hell this Parliament would back it. If Johnson tries it, he'll be out, and once he is out his successor will either be from the right of the party or reliant on them.

A circuit breaker 2 weeks ago would have made more sense. We're isolating until Xmas day so we can see family after that.

@Cherryblossoms85

Well from a stupidly labelled libertarian point of view, the alternative is that people are already very quickly heeding govt advice; people will stay home where they can. They're staying home. Cases will drop over Christmas. Hospitality will be decimated but at least allowed to operate, so the subsidy required won't be as big. There will be huge problems in the NHS as we have never had the capacity. Mass absence caused by isolation rules will cause a rethink of those rules by the Spring, unless the political pressure from Labour for yet more big State "to the rescue" changes the equation. My personal view is that Omicron is much less severe, but the level of terror the govt has instilled in people means they'll probably pressure hospital capacity for relatively mild symptoms. I don't really see a way in which the next three months aren't utterly fucked up, but lockdowns won't fix it either. Sadly I think lost people will start calling for them and the govt will go and spend yet more decades of taxes.

Yes it’s the call to make things even more difficult for next however long I find hard. Plus state services reduced and higher cost of living

@Overthebow

We especially won’t be cancelling our plans if schools stay open. Thousands of kids allowed to mix in large groups will mean a circuit breaker is useless. I’m not giving up our plans for a useless circuit breaker!

This perfectly supports my point. We can't close schools and people won't comply if they're open. What to do?

@DynamiteFilledRadish

So more pubs and restaurants to go under and more jobs lost and more poverty to come but they didn't catch a milder version of a virus. Fantastic.

What's the point of having a booster if we are back here? If, like me, you aren't remotely worried about covid and only had vaccines because they were "the way out", what would be the point of having a booster now.

Nothing at all. I had the other vaccinations as a trade-off against further lockdowns. No point having any further vaccinations if we're going to have endless lockdowns anyway.

I think it's too late for a lockdown.

People have ordered their turkeys.

Santa is on his way.

No one will comply. Or very few.

I personally think it's sensible to limit numbers in homes if possible (but without an arbitrary number), protect the most vulnerable, and get everyone to do LF tests before meeting up, keep windows open etc.

I wonder what will happen for people who are abroad, coming back into the UK. They surely won't let them not come back, if cases are so bad here. But if there is a lockdown/circuit breaker, I wonder if that will mean services, transport etc are much reduced?

Neither will I if I have to risk my health for my job. I will catch it on my terms.

Schools will have to remain open ( except individual schools for staffing reasons )to vulnerable children and key worker children which means they will have at least 50% in anyway.

[quote Youngatheart00]@Ceramide in that case I think they need very public cross party agreement for any new measures.

I just can’t believe we are back here again.[/quote]
The opposition generally agree (and vote ) for the health measures. Its the hard right of the Tory party who vote against them. Apparently mask wearing is too socialist for them

I dont see how places can do outdoor eating unless there is a lot of support in place to make up for the money loss..not everywhere has that option either.

So Danja2010 you didn’t “give up seeing your son” because you were thinking about the NHS and staff, you did it as France wouldn’t let you in to get to Germany!! And all those STILL banging on about “not seeing family for 2 years” - it’s your son. He lives a 1 hour plane journey away in a country you were perfectly free to travel to and from for a large majority of these past 2 years. If you’d wanted to see him- you would have. Why you haven’t bothered is your own issue but please don’t resent yourself as some sort of Covid martyr!

@rrhuth
agree it is like a cult, they really believe it.

Some people just don’t want to have repeated vaccines. It’s simply freedom of choice. If the government want to refuse healthcare based on that choice that’s their decision, but they ought to then also deny healthcare for people with a history of smoking. Or drinking. Or engaging in risk sports. Or obesity. Consistency is important.

The opposition generally agree (and vote ) for the health measures.

Yep Labour vote for stricter measures generally.

Which brings unique situation in itself

we don't need a lockdown. There are 7000 people in hospital. We coped with 40,000 last winter and that was when nhs staff had to isolate as contacts. Now they don't. Most nhs staff have likely had covid.

It isn't doubling every 2 days - 5% rise yesterday! They need to let it rip. If it gets to 40,000 then so be it. If we are not safe after 3/4 vaccines, then when will we be?

@LowPowerMode

What’s the point of locking down / circuit breaking if the the schools are still operating as a viral incubator.

Education setting = viral incubator, nice way to undermine your own country's education. We have to live with this virus. All the people who want to lock down, are you willing to live in lockdown for the rest of your lives? Because nothing will change this virus will keep mutating, vaccines will only be partially efficient. Happy to lock yourselves away for ever?

No undermining the Education provision. Pointing out that schools are where the most virus transmission occurs.

Completely agree - too late to cancel Christmas AGAIN (nobody I know would comply) we don’t need another lockdown and definitely NOT a return to homeschooling hell.

Not in England.

@Watapalava

If Mystic meg had a crystal ball and told you that "letting it rip" would cost the life of your loved one and health problems for another, would you still be as ballsy?

Or is it only fine if that happens to someone else?

@Watapalava

we don't need a lockdown. There are 7000 people in hospital. We coped with 40,000 last winter and that was when nhs staff had to isolate as contacts. Now they don't. Most nhs staff have likely had covid.

It isn't doubling every 2 days - 5% rise yesterday! They need to let it rip. If it gets to 40,000 then so be it. If we are not safe after 3/4 vaccines, then when will we be?

All of this!!

I think I will actually slide into depression if NYE is cancelled. I have had the worst year of my life, including infertility and miscarriage, along with work, finance and housing issues. It has been terrible. The one thing getting me through is the NYE we have planned with friends where I am looking forward to being able to draw a line under the absolute hell that has been 2021, and to see in the new dawn with people I love. If that gets taken away… I don’t even have the words.