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Whatisthisworld · 2021-12-15T20:08:42+00:00

Are we going to get ill? That video 😨

vera99 · 15/12/2021 21:28

For those that think he is without merit shamelessly scaremongering have a look at his pedigree. It's probably what Chris Whitty was saying but nuanced because of his governmental position.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nabarro

OYeMuppets · 15/12/2021 21:28

He does have an impressive CV though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nabarro

Proudtocare98542 · 15/12/2021 21:29

Straight after his video, there was a life insurance advert! As if the video wasn't enough!

CoffeeMuggins · 15/12/2021 21:30

@Proudtocare98542

Straight after his video, there was a life insurance advert! As if the video wasn't enough!

I might just go for that

How's the post-covid world treating everyone now?

Gwenhwyfar · 15/12/2021 21:30

@nordica

What exactly is frightening about that? I don't think anything he says is particularly new or surprising?

He's saying it's worse than we've seen before. It's a bit scary.

Bunce1 · 15/12/2021 21:31

It’s serious because it effects the supply chain and logistics of our day to day lives.

As well as people getting unwell.

He reminds me of Mr Burns!

Fluffysocks88 · 15/12/2021 21:31

Probably a silly question but if omicron does turn out to be very mild for the vast majority of the population, do you think it would be an option for healthcare workers to go to work anyway even if infected if they feel well enough to do so? I understand that this is far from ideal and yes they likely will transmit it to others. But for years healthcare workers have been expected to work with heavy colds/flus. I appreciate this is not quite the same, but is there not a bigger risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed due to medically fit staff being off with a mild illness as opposed to patients potentially catching omicron? Especially if it is so transmissible they are fairly likely to get it anyway. Again, I know it's not ideal but the idea of thousands of healthcare staff being off at once is terrifying

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 15/12/2021 21:32

The first two vaccines did work. They reduced the number in hospitals enormously.

But like viruses do this one mutated - which when a virus is in general circulation to this extent is more or less guaranteed.

visitingagain · 15/12/2021 21:32

He's angry because no one is listening. No one wants to hear. We should know how he feels, as women. It's not scaremongering- the figures are there but no one seems able to understand what this will mean, if you thought the petrol issues were a nightmare that was a walk in the park.
Its also absolutely disgraceful that hospitality are being left to go to the wall and NHS staff are just expected to step up, never mind teachers/ childcare/ social care.
There needs to be furlough money now and support for social distancing measures. I've seen at least 3 music tours cancelled tonight - no support at all for these people.
It doesn't have to mean lots of people dying or even hospitalised or self isolating. 2 or 3 days poorly in bed for millions at once will be something we've never seen before

Theturnofthepoo · 15/12/2021 21:32

A senior manager isn’t going to know how mild or severe COVID is. They barely know what the staff under them do…

vera99 · 15/12/2021 21:33

Speaking to Sky News, Dr Nabarro echoed Professor Whitty's warning about Christmas parties and urged 'every single human being' to 'minimise [social] contact to what is absolutely essential... only do what is vital.'

Dr Nabarro said the Omicron variant is spreading 'superfast' and that the strain has 'a doubling time of numbers of cases every two to three days'.

'That means that [Omicron] will be eight times more serious in one week. Forty times more serious in two weeks. Three hundred or four hundred times more serious in three weeks. Over a thousand times more serious in four weeks.'

He warned the escalating caseload, including many people who have had both vaccinations, will add stress to already overworked health systems worldwide.

‘If we are lucky then we won’t have high death rates but we will still get a very heavy load on health services and therefore on hospitals,' he said.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2021 21:34

@Chloemol

I don’t believe a word that comes out of WHO

🙄🙄🙄🙄

Really?

CoffeeMuggins · 15/12/2021 21:35

But for years healthcare workers have been expected to work with heavy colds/flus

They have not been expected to work with the flu..

nevergoesaway · 15/12/2021 21:35

@BritWifeInUSA

Ah yes, “it will overwhelm the NHS”- that old chestnut. Because that’s never happened before, has it?

History repeating itself. “There’s an emergency! But I have all the answers as to how to deal with it. Just do as I say and we will overcome the emergency!”. So take the third vaccine because the first two didn’t work?

Yes but if the NHS is overwhelmed as usual, then dealing with this pandemic ON TOP of that, isn’t it a bit worrying?

It’s like getting hit by a car every year, only this year there’s 3 trucks coming towards you and you say “Stop panicking, we get hit by a car every year!”

Or am I crazy?

CoffeeMuggins · 15/12/2021 21:36

Or am I crazy?

You are not the crazy one, no.

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 15/12/2021 21:36

The only way I can see staff which covid having to work is a. If they’re well and b. They work in full PPE already and the nhs is collapsing.

DaisyNGO · 15/12/2021 21:36

@Bunce1

It’s serious because it effects the supply chain and logistics of our day to day lives.

As well as people getting unwell.

He reminds me of Mr Burns!

I was thinking he reminds me of a TV character....not a cartoon one though...

Imicola · 15/12/2021 21:36

Is this thr first people are hearing this information? Pretty sure that message has been around a while. The current situation is pretty bad, hes not scaremongering.

Delatron · 15/12/2021 21:36

@Fluffysocks88 I thought the same.

I tested positive on Monday. Feel fine today and no symptoms. I’m not a key worker but for any other illness I would have felt well enough to work tomorrow. Some people also spread less and then you have super spreaders.. so for isolation to be really effective you need to find the super spreaders. That seems impossible though.

If it truly is going to run through the population is isolating well people a good idea?

Admit this is controversial but these are crazy times.

CorsicaDreaming · 15/12/2021 21:36

[quote Whatisthisworld]@Bebedoogoogle What do you think about the severity though? I thought was meant to be mild[/quote]

I think the "mild" tag is very misleading:

A) Chris Whitty expressly said that was inaccurate tonight at press con

B) it may have been milder in S Africa but their demographic is completely different (av age around 29 not 44 - or similar)

C) the SA immunity levels going in are v different to UK

D) there is such a lag between infection and death, but omicron moves so fast, we just don't really have that data yet to know quite how bad it may be.

So it's a bit like Russian Roulette.

And generally scientists involved in public health don't like Russian Roulette scenarios...

yellowgreysocks · 15/12/2021 21:38

@Fluffysocks88

Probably a silly question but if omicron does turn out to be very mild for the vast majority of the population, do you think it would be an option for healthcare workers to go to work anyway even if infected if they feel well enough to do so? I understand that this is far from ideal and yes they likely will transmit it to others. But for years healthcare workers have been expected to work with heavy colds/flus. I appreciate this is not quite the same, but is there not a bigger risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed due to medically fit staff being off with a mild illness as opposed to patients potentially catching omicron? Especially if it is so transmissible they are fairly likely to get it anyway. Again, I know it's not ideal but the idea of thousands of healthcare staff being off at once is terrifying

I think that is a possibility.

The general public will need to be on board with them and their families members being treated and cared for by covid positive asymptomatic staff, rather than no staff 🤷‍♀️ but I could see it happening. It's the patients (who could be anyone, anywhere although everyone always thinks it'll be someone else and not them) who suffer, not the staff.

Currently our senior managers are going through quick training to become HCAs over Xmas and beyond. All planned elective work cancelled. Only input affecting mortality allowed. Half our hospital is closed due to covid outbreaks on wards so our flow is extremely slow. 5 hour wait in the ambulance to be seen this afternoon.

This is WAY above what anyone would ever anticipate even if our hospital was well funded and fully staffed - we still wouldn't manage with what we've got in front of us currently.

nevergoesaway · 15/12/2021 21:38

@CoffeeMuggins

Or am I crazy?

You are not the crazy one, no.

Thank you, it’s hard to tell on here sometimes! 🤣

KaptainKaveman · 15/12/2021 21:38

I'd rather listen to a fully qualified, experienced professional than a bunch of lunatic Tory fanatics comparing the imposition of safety measures to "Nazi Germany". Those morons, Marcus Fyshe, Steve Baker, Leadsom and co are so stupid it's not even possible to parody them.

visitingagain · 15/12/2021 21:38

I've had flu in my 20s. I was off work for four weeks. I tried to go back two weeks in and collapsed and was off for two more. That was a good few years ago- probably now would have been hospitalised.I was really healthy and outdoorsy.

FutureHope · 15/12/2021 21:38

Was he talking about the UK specifically? Or about health systems globally?

We may be concerned in the UK, but that is nothing to health systems in some countries, which will be very quickly overwhelmed. WHO is global, so his concerns might lie less with us than elsewhere.

I can’t watch it, already freaked out by too much Guardian reading.