If you dare to question science you are labelled uneducated?

[Clovesinmyorange]

As the title states.

I’m finding myself getting more and more angry at this attitude.
It’s the current ‘trend’ if you will, that if you dare to question science you are stupid or uneducated. Having some reservations about things, means you are completely wrong and an imbecile.

The worst thing to do in this situation is to tell ‘anti vaxxers’ or people who are hesitant about the vaccine that they are wrong or stupid. This will backfire greatly and it’s certainly not a way of winning them over. This exact thing happened with Brexit too…which is why we are where we are with that.

It’s usually left wing guardian readers (yes I read the guardian) but the same people who are usually very vocal about how supportive they are of other peoples ethics, beliefs and backgrounds.

@Foghead

I would usually wholeheartedly agree that it’s good to question science. Think the difference here is that this is medical science, things are potentially critical for hospitals, we don’t have the luxury of time to question - and a lack of cohesion is harmful to others. There is accepted science which as been vetted, verified, peer reviewed. There is emerging science which may or may not be accepted - or has not yet been robustly tested - or has insufficient evidence.

We have to base our decision making on the accepted science, but keep an eye on the emerging science.

Science is the systematic process of making and testing hypotheses. We should question the conclusions, but I think many people are questing the entire process. That’s absolutely wrong.

No, it isn’t wrong to question the entire process. Take for example natural immunity. Why are we only following a vaccine driven process?
We’ve seen from South Africa that natural immunity was a possible benefit in the severity of omicron. It’s barely been mentioned here when we have the advantage of vaccines and natural immunity. With the fast transmission of omicron, most of us should be doing very well on that front.
Some research has shown that natural immunity could last us a lifetime.

@Foghead

People who are unjabbed but previously had the Delta Covid variant may have very little protection against Omicron infection, a lab study suggests.

Unvaccinated people who caught Delta have virtually no protection against Omicron infection, lab study suggests - but jabbed survivors are 'super immune'.

I’d still see the above as a speculative study. I wouldn’t put my faith in it, I’d see it as ‘emerging’ - but it’s at odds with your science.

This is why I put my faith in the global consensus of accepted opinion - basically the WHO/NHS guidance - and less so in emerging science.

It’s the current ‘trend’ if you will, that if you dare to question science you are stupid or uneducated.

Doesn't it depend on the question? There was a woman on twitter the other day announcing that as soon as her boyfriend came home from having his jab her period stopped and hasn't come back for five months. She's 45. (And a fool.)

When people ask questions that show they have been reading up on the subject - not just hysteria driven blogs - they won't come across as uneducated. But the 500th person that day to "inform everyone" that vaccines don't prevent someone getting Covid is not remotely educated on the subject.

And Brexit was shockingly uninformed. I've never seen something boil down so neatly to "This is my side and I'm sticking to my side and I don't care what anyone says."

I'm still baffled that so much valuable information only started circulating widely after the referendum was over, perhaps the media had a vendetta... For instance I doubt Cornwall would have voted the same way had they known how much they were about to lose.

But the 500th person that day to "inform everyone" that vaccines don't prevent someone getting Covid is not remotely educated on the subject.

And by this I mean the people shouting "It's all a scam! My friend got double jabbed AND THEN SHE GOT COVID!!!" Not the people calmly trying to help explain things to them.

@CorrBlimeyGG

This exact thing happened with Brexit too…which is why we are where we are with that.

Possibly not the best example. They have been proven to be wrong or stupid.

Not wanting to shame you @CorrBlimeyGG, but being the first comment and actually showing how zealot like people who think they are right are is pretty funny!

It happens vice versa too. If you follow the mainstream science, you get labelled a "sheep" and told to "wake up".

I dont think I've called anyone stupid. But I've pointed people for being wrong when they are wrong.

Such as when people complain we can't have lock down as it means delays in cancer treatment and cancelled surgeries - its said multiple times and its completely illogical.

When people dont want the vaccine because of its risk of clots and myocarditis - pointing out that your several times more likely to get that with covid.

People saying the vaccine doesnt work - no argument, it does.

People saying lockdown didnt work as covid still exists - was never about 0 covid, it was about keeping a functioning health service.

When people post or talk about these things, it's hard to not consider them stupid after all this time.

@Onegingerhead

Science was and still should be questioned. And you know.. scientists do argue a lot. Don’t ask me how I know this tho

This. Scientific research is being questioned all the time by people who are educated and qualified to do that.

If by ‘questioning science’ you actually mean refusing to listen to advice given by impartial highly qualified experts who base their conclusions on meticulous scientific research, then yes I would say you sound a bit thick…

I wish people would stop bringing Brexit into Science threads.

Brexit is political and the issues within it cannot be tackled with the tools of Science.

Scientists should stay out of the political sphere and politicians should not comment on Science, although the ethical questions around Science are very much in their domain.

Brexit zzzzz.
The effects of Brexit cannot be quantified neither due to covid.
If anyone can separate Covid from Brexit, please do present qualitative and quantitative evidence to back up this claim.

Good luck👍
We all love science however Ferguson's assessment of the data has been way out. You wouldn't let the man near a bookies let alone an epidemiological data set.😂😂

@Hrpuffnstuff1

Brexit zzzzz. The effects of Brexit cannot be quantified neither due to covid. If anyone can separate Covid from Brexit, please do present qualitative and quantitative evidence to back up this claim.

Good luck👍
We all love science however Ferguson's assessment of the data has been way out. You wouldn't let the man near a bookies let alone an epidemiological data set.😂😂

Drop in Exports. Custom red tape. Trade barriers. Worker shortage. Plenty of non - Covid related evidence.