Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880

Genuinely curious as to what is proposed to happen to unvaccinated people who work in the hospitality industry? Will they be forced not to go into work so that they are curtailed from spreading their 'unclean' germs around? Or are they not considered as contagious when they are performing a function and serving other people?

@megustalacerveza oh you meant just around covid. I thought you meant in general

I am not satisfied that my teens need protecting against this illness and that enough is known about long term or even short term effects.
The vaccine was tested on so few 5-11 year olds in the US that Pfizer plan to run a 5 year follow up program to check safety. Unacceptable!

I would like a work from home announcement as today I walked all the way to work and was in limbo for 90 mins whilst the powers that be decided we should close because a colleague reported a positive test. At least we would know where we were and could get on with as the work as well as feeling safer.

It’s really sad living in a country which has the passport in place. Every single last person I know now scrambling to find a booster appointment are doing so ONLY so they can still go to a restaurant or go on their ski holiday after the deadline in mid January when all passes older than 7 months are automatically cancelled.

Sad? Rock up at the centre, like over half a million people per day in recent days get vaccinated, sit down for 15 min then go about your normal business…

Using a bit of bloody common sense. Not packing onto a rush hour train and then sitting in unventilated office all day if you could have stayed at home to work

Employers are calling their staff back to work. How do you expect people to do this? When most of them can’t?

@Iggly I expect that poster wants them to walk 🤷🏻‍♀️

@notimagain if you read my earlier post you will see that it’s not that simple. Last time I went to a vaccination centre and sat down for 15 minutes I triggered something that nobody can yet explain to me and now i have to deal with either 16 day long periods or 2 periods per month. I don’t want to get another one since I am still dealing with the effects of the last one.

@pianolessons1

If you're not vaccinated you don't go into non-essential shops, restaurants, cafes, cinemas, theatre etc. Should have been doing that from the start.

No they shouldn't. What do you class as vaccinated anyway? Two doses or two plus booster?

or contact TFL and order them to put on more trains.

[quote megustalacerveza]@IfNot but what a ridiculous way of thinking. The NHS should have been funded better, so we can't do anything to help things now? Yes, it should have been funded better but so bloody what? We're where we are NOW. It's an acute situation. There's no point in wittering and blaming when every single person can do their part to reduce pressure on the NHS by getting vaccinated and behaving sensibly.[/quote]
I don't think you understand what I am saying megustalacervez (and please don't @ me!).

Of course the NHS should have been funded better. It also needs to be run better. But it has been almost 2 years since the pandemic began in the UK nothing has changed, other than the following:

The country have been at each others throats over how best to handle it.
(masks, no masks etc)
Thousands of businesses have gone to the wall.
Thousands of children and vulnerable women went under the radar and were abused.
Elderly people were locked into care homes to die , their families couldn't say goodbye.
Cancer patients died because they couldn't get treated, even when hospitals were not full.
They built nightingale hospitals but there were no staff to work in them!
People still unable to get doctors appointments (which will of course ultimately put a strain on hospitals!)

And on and on, and still the people of this country are expected to just keep bending over. Blame?? Are you serious? The fucking vitriol I have read on here about people who have concerns over vaccines, or are feeling shit about restrictions. Really nasty.
NO, I don't think we need to "do our part to reduce pressure on the NHS" I think we have done that for nearly two years actually. I DON'T think it's "sensible" to just roll over and accept that I thought I was fully vaxxed, but now maybe I need a third, and then maybe a 4th, and now maybe my kids do too or they can't take part in life.
No. I'm saying no, and that's in no way ridiculous. The focus need to be on the NHS, yes, and what needs to be done NOW, because if they are not going to fix it now they never are.
What is ridiculous is just accepting more and more shit and saying "thank you" for it!

I was wondering why the Guardian was suddenly running a "Will you comply with lockdown again ? " poll suddenly this morning when we have been assured such a measure is vanishingly unlikely.....

As to the poster who said they didn't catch Covid because they were vaxxed, I raise you my DP who caught it when fully vaxxed from a fully vaxxed friend. I also caught it (unvaxxed) and our levels of suffering (unpleasant but not life threatening) were comparable. So may I point out there is a component of dumb luck involved as well?

[quote megustalacerveza]@WineGetsMeThroughIt no, I didn't say that. It's pretty horrifying to see the poor level of reading comprehension and critical thinking ability on this thread.[/quote]

So you didn't write this then? 🤔

NO, I don't think we need to "do our part to reduce pressure on the NHS" I think we have done that for nearly two years actually

And the pressure remains.

So unless you vote for a party that will properly fund the NHS after this, then this is where we are.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

I was wondering why the Guardian was suddenly running a "Will you comply with lockdown again ? " poll suddenly this morning when we have been assured such a measure is vanishingly unlikely.....

As to the poster who said they didn't catch Covid because they were vaxxed, I raise you my DP who caught it when fully vaxxed from a fully vaxxed friend. I also caught it (unvaxxed) and our levels of suffering (unpleasant but not life threatening) were comparable. So may I point out there is a component of dumb luck involved as well?

I think you mean me. My point was that governments have to rely on data, not on anecdata from our families to set policy for public health. My anecdote is as pointless as yours ie very pointless.

Until they ask something you’re not comfortable or with, like endless vaccinations that haven’t been tested based upon being administered every 3-6 months

Tiny bit of misinformation here - all the vaccines approved for use as boosters have been tested and approved for this use. There is no suggestion that they would be deployed in a way that they have no been trialled and received pharmaceutical regulator approval for.

So unless you vote for a party that will properly fund the NHS after this, then this is where we are. I would like to, but I would also like to vote for a party that would have the balls to run it properly, which hasn't happened for a very very long time!

Does anyone know what research is being done into the reported hormonal affects of the (was in Pfizer?) vaccine? I had a 10 days period after both of mine, very strange.

[quote Lostinacloud]@leafygarden42 no I won’t get my teens vaccinated thank you very much.
They’ve had covid and you hardly would have known, certainly no long term effects or serious illness.
Risk of covid to my teens = 0%
Risk of a vaccine known to cause heart issues in some teens and young men = NOT 0%

I don’t care how small the risk is, it’s not 0% so I will continue to focus on the more important issue of bodily autonomy and parental choice and not just do as I’m told![/quote]
My ds has just turned 20. Dm is still wittering about him not being vaccinated. I have no influence as he's now an adult, but my view is the same as yours, and he's had covid.

@notimagain

It’s really sad living in a country which has the passport in place. Every single last person I know now scrambling to find a booster appointment are doing so ONLY so they can still go to a restaurant or go on their ski holiday after the deadline in mid January when all passes older than 7 months are automatically cancelled.

Sad? Rock up at the centre, like over half a million people per day in recent days get vaccinated, sit down for 15 min then go about your normal business…

But for a lot of people that isn’t the case. I had my first AZ vaccine and 24 hours later was in bed delirious with an extremely high temperature and electric shocks sensations shooting up and down my vaccinated arm. It was horrific and my OH was advised to call out paramedics. My 7 year old DS was sat by my bedside the whole time and I hate to think of him seeing me like that.

Now I’m being told to go along for a booster when in all likelihood it is not go g to work against Omicrom very well, for the greater good.

For people who can have vaccines and experience no side effects that’s great, my OH is one of them and is getting his booster on Saturday. But that’s not the case for everyone.

My (probably baseless) prediction. If news is bad about Omicron (eg super transmissible, partly vaccine evading) they will half-assedly tell people to work from home in January. Kids will still go to school

Three weeks into January, absolute NHS meltdown, government will be forced to lockdown until Easter as the price for 'Saving Christmas'

Though I am totally pro vaccination etc I honestly am not sure about the point of COVID passports under current circs - a lot of businesses won't want to enforce them; people who really don't want to get vaccinated won't be motivated by them; vaccines, which great for stopping severe symptoms, don't prevent people from transmitting COVID, so if a place is full to capacity without social distancing I don't see that the lack of a few non-vaxxed people makes people significantly safer.

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts

Hear hear.

My DS is 17. He has had Covid- was very mild- and the vaccine.My reading of the research is that myocarditis is more likely with Covid, should he catch it again, than the vaccine.

I like to do as I am told by the JVCI, scientists and people who know more about this shit than I do. He is now free to lead his life, go wherever he wants, and not miss school/uni.

@megustalacerveza

You can bleat all you like about how unfair it all is

There is really no reason to be so rude and so intolerant to anyone who has a different view and experience to you.

@Lostinacloud

I am not satisfied that my teens need protecting against this illness and that enough is known about long term or even short term effects. The vaccine was tested on so few 5-11 year olds in the US that Pfizer plan to run a 5 year follow up program to check safety. Unacceptable!

Could you share the source for that being the reasoning of the ongoing monitoring for that age group? Sincerely interested to read it, I hadn’t seen that.