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Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions

410 replies

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 08/12/2021 11:11

Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880

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Florelei · 08/12/2021 13:19

I’m so beaten down by this whole thing.

Youngatheart00 · 08/12/2021 13:19

@Florelei exactly how I feel too

churchofthepoisonmind · 08/12/2021 13:20

My guess is that we will be in full lockdown by xmas and that the *unwashed will be blamed/scapegoated. That will then turn everybody on the unwashed even more and get people to support mandates which bar the unwashed from normal life. It's because choices have consequences though innit!

  • aka unvaccinated
MistressoftheDarkSide · 08/12/2021 13:21

Ah yes, data, science, peer reviewed studies, all open to manipulation and use as political footballs.

Our anecdata is useless but it shows a bigger picture. If anecdata suggests most people are in favour of lockdowns and mandated vaccines / passports etc should these be enforced or should they be implemented because there is a clearly identified public health need? One can go round and round in circles with this argument till the cows come home but there is no clear solution - I'm okay with masks and testing, but more than that, no.

Lostinacloud · 08/12/2021 13:23

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JassyRadlett · 08/12/2021 13:26

vaccines, which great for stopping severe symptoms, don't prevent people from transmitting COVID, so if a place is full to capacity without social distancing I don't see that the lack of a few non-vaxxed people makes people significantly safer.

I think it depends on what a ‘few’ is, I guess. We know that two doses, even now and against delta, are preventing around half of infections (quite a few sources for this but the ONS is probably the best one as it looks at all infections and splits out cases from symptomatic cases).

Boosters look like they’ll send that through the roof, and the protection will last for longer than with two doses (early data from the trials so not authoritative or evidentiary.)

The data is still really mixed on secondary transmission (how likely a vaccinated infected person is to pass on to another person.) I don’t think it’s possible to be authoritative that vaccines either don’t reduce secondary transmission or that they do.

So if you’re seeking to reduce, not eliminate, transmission, restricting high risk events to only people who are half as likely to have the virus and half as likely to be able to catch it from someone who’s infected isn’t without merit, and is greatly strengthened as increasing numbers get boosted and the transmission risk falls even lower between the vaccinated.

But it depends on the policy objective.

Lostinacloud · 08/12/2021 13:27

@JassyRadlett sure. I read it on a tweet which quoted a section from an FCO document.

Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions
Lostinacloud · 08/12/2021 13:27

Sorry it’s a bit blurry

Lostinacloud · 08/12/2021 13:28

Sorry an FDA document not fco Hmm

Metheven · 08/12/2021 13:28

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts
Beautifully put.
JassyRadlett · 08/12/2021 13:29

[quote Lostinacloud]@JassyRadlett sure. I read it on a tweet which quoted a section from an FCO document.[/quote]
Thanks - appreciate it. That’s not quite what you posted, so I really appreciate the clarification, particularly around the purpose of the follow up being particularly specific to myocarditis.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/12/2021 13:29

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts
They are indeed.
JassyRadlett · 08/12/2021 13:30

@Lostinacloud

Sorry it’s a bit blurry
No worries, am going to have a good dig into the primary document now!
churchofthepoisonmind · 08/12/2021 13:32

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megustalacerveza · 08/12/2021 13:32

[quote BrightYellowDaffodil]@megustalacerveza

You can bleat all you like about how unfair it all is

There is really no reason to be so rude and so intolerant to anyone who has a different view and experience to you.[/quote]
I'm not being rude. It's literally stating a fact. The ONLY way we can stop having lockdowns and restrictions is if the NHS is able to cope. I can't understand for the life of me how the people complaining about all the basic restrictions can't see that this is exactly how we end up having much worse ones.

Skysblue · 08/12/2021 13:33

So sick of everything being leaked to the press first instead of announced to the House of Commons.

This is a breach of the Ministerial Code, and the code exists for a reason.

Now a bunch of journalists owe yet another favour to the Boris Johnson gang 😡

nojudgementhere · 08/12/2021 13:36

@JassyRadlett - Honest question here - are you a real person or a government chatbot? I find your posts really strange & detached from emotion and reality. It is pretty well established now that the vaccinated are catching and transmitting the virus in large numbers and we only have to look at real life examples from Scotland, Ireland, France etc. to see that passports have not successfully managed to control this. Pretending that they are being introduced to slow transmission isn't fooling anyone. It's clearly about coercion and control.

GoldenOmber · 08/12/2021 13:36

Plan B plus vaccine passports was achieving the sum total of fuck all for us in Scotland and Wales with delta. So I'm sure it'll work wonders with an even more transmissible variant.

CaliforniaDrumming · 08/12/2021 13:38

No, @JassyRadlett is not a chatbot; she just has too much self control to get into ad hominem arguments with people who claim this is an untested vaccine.

MarshaBradyo · 08/12/2021 13:39

Also saying no re Jassy

She’s just more measured than many - which is good

Lostinacloud · 08/12/2021 13:43

@CaliforniaDrumming that extract from an FDA document I posted literally says that the vaccine hasn’t been tested on enough 5-11 year olds to determine the long term myocarditis risk. A POST authorisation study of 5 years will be undertaken to determine the risk.
Meanwhile soon all our 5-11 year olds will be expected to have the vaccine to travel and life a normal life. It’s already happening in Israel and New York.
It’s quite unbelievable, I echo an earlier poster who says she sometimes feels they are living in a parallel universe because of the crazy things that are going on at the moment, seemingly with little challenge.

AndTime · 08/12/2021 13:44

@IfNot

IfNot

"People do realise that you can "take up a hospital bed" if you get cancer or have a heart attack, right? Covid is not the only illness out there! I refuse to have a digital id card basically, so as to protect an NHS that successive governments have destroyed. Yes, it's overwhelmed-when is it not?? That is down to the government to fix, not us to destroy our lives by stopping living so we don't "take up a bed".

But it is the only illness which is almost completely preventable for the vast majority of people if they'd only have a bloody vaccine!!!!You do realise it could be YOU or one of YOUR family members who ends up dying because there's no bed for you after an accident or a heart attack? Because someone who could have had a jab and stayed out of the ICU chose not to? That doesn't bother you at all?

This comment perfectly illustrate my point!! We are all supposed to lose our livelihoods (hospitality sector is FUCKED) or vaccinate our teenagers with a vaccine that changes hormones and no one knows why, or work in our houses that we cant afford to heat, or allow the government insane powers over what we do with our bodies and what we are and are not allowed to do...so that we don't TAKE UP A BED in an NHS that has been crumbling for YEARS. The focus is on the wrong thing!! Can you really not see that?? We stand to lose so much as a nation, all so we can protect something that the government should be protecting. I already know people who couldn't have cancer treatment because of covid, but it wasn't because of those selfish Covid patients taking up a bed it was because we have a healthcare system that is not, and has not been for years, fit for purpose!! The focus needs to be on "what are we going to do about THAT" not attacking individuals for objecting to proposed human rights violations.

Here Here! Well said
SickAndTiredAgain · 08/12/2021 13:45

@Skysblue

So sick of everything being leaked to the press first instead of announced to the House of Commons.

This is a breach of the Ministerial Code, and the code exists for a reason.

Now a bunch of journalists owe yet another favour to the Boris Johnson gang 😡

The speaker said something very firm about this today.

But then, he’s warned them before and they’ve ignored it and I don’t think he has any power to discipline them for making announcements in the press before the HoC does he?

AntiMaskersAreTwats · 08/12/2021 13:46

@churchofthepoisonmind

My guess is that we will be in full lockdown by xmas and that the *unwashed will be blamed/scapegoated. That will then turn everybody on the unwashed even more and get people to support mandates which bar the unwashed from normal life. It's because choices have consequences though innit!
  • aka unvaccinated
That would be fantastic as I don’t want to be near any of the ‘unwashed’ - because of their vaccination status and their intelligence levels.
Sosijrol · 08/12/2021 13:47

If people really wanted to help the NHS out, they’d stop smoking, stop abusing drink and drugs, exercise and eat a balanced diet. Imagine the time and money the NHS could save if they didn’t have to treat people for self inflicted problems!!
I’m not anti vax, I’m anti forced vax. People should not feel coerced into an injection. Here in Wales you have to wear a mask to a shop but you can go to the pub without a mask!! Whatever Boris has to say this evening won’t change anything in Wales, wonder if Drakeford will change things.