90% of ICU patients admitted with COVID haven't been vaccinated.

[Desithebulldog]

Been listening to the news and they've said that 90% of the patients admitted to ICU with COVID haven't been vaccinated. For each patient admitted they are denying 10 other patients who need surgery their ICU beds. So currently (I'm sure there are more) there are 1,000 patients holding up 10,000 operations. I find this absolutely gobsmacking. Why, why, why would people not get vaccinated to help the NHS? They are on their knees and need all the help they can get. I know it's a personal choice but why are all the non-believers making it so hard for others to get a much needed operation? I just don't get it.

‘Relentless soldier’ in the battle to encourage uptake of the vaccine in people with higher BMIs to reduce the numbers in hospitals atm? I guess…

One of my closest friends is a consultant in a hospital and said every one of the patients in ICU/HD with covid are unvaccinated and she's furious because it's stopping people being able to access cancer surgeries because they're in the HD beds. All still saying they didn't want to be experimented on as they are pumped full of drugs they know nothing about!

@bumbleymummy

Funny how some people who throw around accusations about others being anti-vaxx on here can never actually seem to back up their accusations and point to something specific. It’s all a bit ‘I don’t like your opinion so I’m going to try to discredit you’. Lame.

Are you claiming that people refusing the vaccine is irrelevant to the current NHS crisis?

Are you, further, claiming that all of the people refusing the vaccine have a valid medical reason for doing so, one that aligns with current scientific recommendations?

However much you try to dress it up as not being an anti-vaxxer... Some of us see through that.

@MeredithGreyishblue

One of my closest friends is a consultant in a hospital and said every one of the patients in ICU/HD with covid are unvaccinated and she's furious because it's stopping people being able to access cancer surgeries because they're in the HD beds. All still saying they didn't want to be experimented on as they are pumped full of drugs they know nothing about!

There was devastating BBC coverage of this a few months ago. It's so incredibly sad, and so unfair.

Not to mention the poor people who are tricked into not having the vaccine, then contract Covid, and due regretting their choices. Anti-vaxxers spreading misinformation assume that those of us who are pro-vaccine 'hate' everyone who hasn't been vaccinated - but this couldn't be further from the truth. Plenty of people in their forties and fifties have died: that's still prime parenting age (it's not as if older kids suddenly don't need their parents at all). And people who are basically fit and well day-to-day but do have an underlying condition have also died, in younger age groups still... And in most cases, now the vaccine is available, these deaths are so pointless, such a lot of grief and pain and fear for the surviving children, siblings, and parents who have outlived their child.

Of course some people will die after having the vaccine; it's not the elixir of life. Covid vaccination at, say, age 92, doesn't mean you'll live to be 105. But an overweight 45 year old mum? A 51 year old dad with diabetes? Those people should not be dying at this point in the pandemic.

Ummm…no, where have I claimed that? I’ve literally just said (and have said several times on this thread) that we should be trying to encourage unvaccinated people with high BMIs to have the vaccine because they are clearly still a high risk group and are ending up in hospital. I’m just not prepared to make sweeping generalisations about all unvaccinated people because (as we know very well by now) young, healthy people are at very low risk of ending up in hospital.

I don’t think people need ‘valid medical reasons’ to refuse a vaccine. It’s a personal choice. It primarily reduces the risk of serious illness for the individual, if someone doesn’t want that then that’s their decision.

I’m not sure you know what anti-vaxx means tbh. I guess that would explain some things.

@bumbleymummy
What you are doing is contributing to the atmosphere of misinformation about the Covid vaccine. You have been doing this at length and for a long time. You have a right to express your opinion, but this insidious attempt to pretend you are not an anti-vaxxer is wearisome.

Of course a mandate is not ideal; it would be far, far preferable to have a sufficiently educated population as to not require any such thing. But you are actively working against that, aren't you? If you are not an anti-vaxxer, why do you continue to promulgate the idea that the vaccine should not be had by everyone? (Barring rare, genuine medical exemptions.) Clearly the ideal state would be one in which there is no mandate, but people make an educated choice rather than a superstitious one.

@Bumbleymummy do you think pregnant women should be encouraged and prioritised for vaccination? We know they're a high risk group.

Unvaccinated should be put right at the back of the queue for any treatment. Unless there is a substantial health reason they can't have the vaccine, they shouldn't expect to take precedence over those who are in dire need of treatment.

What you are doing is contributing to the atmosphere of misinformation about the Covid vaccine.

Where? Why do you think I would suggest that we should prioritise boosters, vaccinate vulnerable in developing countries and encourage people with high BMIs to have the vaccine if I did not think it was in their best interest?

Why do you think the vaccine should be had by everyone? Even if they’re low risk/have previously had the virus/simply don’t want it? If you have been vaccinated yourself then why does their decision about whether or not they want to reduce their individual risk have anything to do with you?

@bumbleymummy

What you are doing is contributing to the atmosphere of misinformation about the Covid vaccine.

Where? Why do you think I would suggest that we should prioritise boosters, vaccinate vulnerable in developing countries and encourage people with high BMIs to have the vaccine if I did not think it was in their best interest?

Why do you think the vaccine should be had by everyone? Even if they’re low risk/have previously had the virus/simply don’t want it? If you have been vaccinated yourself then why does their decision about whether or not they want to reduce their individual risk have anything to do with you?

It does not only affect individual risk. That simply is not true.

It affects risk to all of us (yes, me included, but not me only), and it does affect the running of the NHS.

It has much more impact on individual risk than prevention/transmission as several studies have now shown.

So why do you think everyone should have it? How far are you willing to go to make that happen?

@Rachel783 thanks for that. I didn’t realise she had form for this.

@WoodyGd, your post made me weep. For you and for those who you had to tell.

Some years ago I had an operation to save my life, I was in HDU for 24 hours before I was sent to another ward. I would have been utterly devastated if that had happened to me.

I thought the Nuremburg Code had been proven to have nothing to do with vaccine mandates - why would it be up for debate now if that's the case? Genuinely interested.....

please don't get believing the online 'full facts' etc, they're not independent and not accurate!

And your cheerleaders are posting utter rubbish too.

A lot of people are VERY suspicious of the vaccine and therefore do not want it injected into their bodies. They feel if they are not in a vulnerable group it may do them more harm than good.
I read the public health Scotland full report every week and there were 125 unvaccinated in ICU and 260 vaccinated. So I don't know where the 90% comes from. Do your own research and don't just trust newspaper headlines/politicians statements etc etc.
I am concerned about the silencing of any voice that shows the other side to the vaccine.
Austria was offering half an hour at a local brothel as one of the 'incentives' to taking the jab. When do you need to coercse people into taking something thats so good.

I understand ur frustration at lack of uptake but maybe that frustration is based on wrong information.