Wtf is going on??!!

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I actually think it’s quite scary and a bit strange the amount of people who are happy to have their human rights taken away.

For the record I’m fully vaccinated and I think that the vaccine is brilliant, but it is a medical procedure and I don’t think people that have made the decision not to have said medical procedure should then not be able to participate in society.

This is not at all normal, I can see the hospital beds are getting overwhelmed but this is likely because of viruses that haven’t been able to run through the population normally are making people very poorly.

Which means that this will happen every winter forevermore if we don’t let humans, vaccinated or not just get on with life.

I'm triple jabbed and I agree.

People have short memories - remember those 2 women cautioned by the police for taking a walk near their homes whilst holding takeaway cups of coffee?

This is slowly turning into a dictatorship
It’s not a dictatorship. That’s when you’re told what to do and have no choice. People have a choice here! They can choose to get vaccinated and have access to those places, or not get vaccinated and not have access. It’s perfectly reasonable that people who pose a public safety risk can’t have access to certain public spaces unless they comply with the safety rules.

@Hiheyho

Why are you comparing polio death rate with a covid one?

Because the asymptomatic, mild, severe and death rates of Covid and Polio are very similar.

People have short memories - remember those 2 women cautioned by the police for taking a walk near their homes whilst holding takeaway cups of coffee?

I vaguely remember that, wasn't that before the vaccine roll out ? Has anyone in the Government suggested we are going back to those sort of measures ?

@AliceA2021 - I've no problem with restrictions for adults, grown ass adults who have vaccines and boosters. I do not agree with masking children. If you think it's a young child's job to sit in a freezing cold school for 6 hours while wearing a mask and trying to listen to their teacher who is also masked up to save adults and a health system that is not up to scratch then you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

Removal of the principle of informed consent to medical treatment is a very significant step. It is not deemed ‘consent’ unless given freely without coercion or duress. This is what is happening in some countries in Europe, NZ.

I haven't seen anyone being 'happy' with that. Calling it reasonable doesnt mean people are happy.

No one is out there whining about mandated seatbelt wearing,

They used to, on the grounds that in an accident they could be thrown clear. I know one such person who was thrown clear in an accident where her husband was killed.

Similarly people objected to wearing motor cycle helmets before they were made compulsory.

This argument doesn’t help. Half the issue is that Covid is fairly benign in the half the population. Many young people won’t even know they have it. So it’s not a bit like polio or measles/ mumps etc.

That is exactly like polio? Polio is a mostly asymptomatic disease (or mild symtoms) that can cause devastating consequences for a small number of people that catch it.

The two latest variants, delta and omicron, make up 'media control' as an anagram. Crazy times we're in.

Im quite shocked at what's happening in Europe, and people cheering on the draconian rules. It's created a them and us society where (some of) the vaccinated are terrified of the unvaxxed. It's absurd when you really think about it.

I am triple jabbed btw, it works as my DS is full of Covid symptoms, tested positive, but DH, DD and I have all been fine, all negative. However, I'm against mandatory jabs and the 'othering' of those who choose not to have the jab. Governments are not going to give up on their current control of the population easily, that is what really scares me. I can't see things ever getting back to normal (pre pandemic) no matter how many jabs people take.

Even measles and mumps were fairly mild in a lot of cases, but the same applied, it was devastating for some people.

What do you prefer OP? Mandatory vaccination or lockdown for all? Which is the lesser of 2 evils? Because you may have to choose….
I really do not understand how the anti vaxxers do not get this simple point. The more they refuse, the more they push the governments into having to take the more drastic measures. Collapsed health service=civil unrest and worse.
You want democracy - vote, not voting/not partaking is undemocratic. Same as not being vaccinated.
Encouraging people strongly to be vaccinated plus some preventative measures early on is better than the full lockdowns. Surely we should have by now learnt this in England? Sadly, it appears not despite every other country close to us doing the necessary. Thankfully however the anti vaccine movement in England is not that big and most people happily having their boosters. Long may it continue.

I’m with you OP.

It feels like the world is going mad sometimes.

My son isn’t allowed to take Christmas cards into school to give to his friends who he mingles with every day just in case there is Covid on the envelope. I mean what the fuck?! Yet it’s fine for all the children to share pencils, crayons and felt tip pens and switch library books between them all - coincidentally which also go to the different children’s homes every day.

I guess Covid is only attracted to Christmas card envelopes and isn’t such a fan of sitting around on library books.

Some things are just bonkers.

I would love to know what is happening to happen to the people who refuse to have these mandated vaccines? Are they all going to be sent to prison or something? Or forced to live together in camps hidden from society? Or maybe they’ll be lined up in the streets (in air tight containers of course) with the words ‘unclean’ tattooed across their foreheads so all the ‘holier than thou’ people who’ve been vaccinated can hurl abuse at them?

I’m double vaccinated and had my booster bud I absolutely don’t agree that people should be forced into having a vaccine they don’t want.

People have short memories - remember those 2 women cautioned by the police for taking a walk near their homes whilst holding takeaway cups of coffee?
It was an unprecedented time and everyone was shit scared of this brand new disease that was killing people. I didn’t see my own mother for months. My parish council voted to close the playground because we were terrified that a child would catch Covid from touching the equipment and if they died we’d get sued. Everyone overreacted out of fear. So I don’t think it’s fair to look at what happened back then and judge on that basis.

I saw on the news yesterday that Germany wanted to ban unvaccinated people from shops or restaurants. ... To all the people saying its because of the pandemic, do you not watch the news? Deaths are down, hospitalisations are also down, so why the hysteria?
Deaths are up in Germany. Hospitalisations are up.
Please try to inform yourself before posting, and if you have informed yourself, please stop spreading lies that suit your political agenda.

This graph shows the percentage of intensive care beds for adults taken up by Covid patients.

[quote OutwiththeOutCrowd]Those that think the 'Covid Camps' in Australia are acceptable, should watch this firsthand account.

[/quote] By the inflammatory and insensitive 'camps', do you mean the quarantine facility at Howard Springs, which allows those quarantining to get fresh air and walk about, etc - and which is tremendously important in protecting the First Nations people of the Northern Territory from this virus?

Anythingbutsnow

Even if I didn't agree with what OP is saying, I would defend her right to say it. It's so important that we carefully consider these minority opinions to stop the majority becoming a tyranny“

There are very good reasons why these opinions are held by the minority.

@Peregrina - Measles and mumps vaccines are VERY different to COVID vaccines, as are the pathogens, you are comparing apples with pears.

I agree OP. I am not vaccinated, through choice. I am past caring if people judge me for that.
The concern for me is not the restrictions in Germany - if they want to lockdown the unvaccinated, let them get on with it. I personally don't think it will make any difference since we know both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread this, but hey ho.
No, my concern is, what next? What if that does not work? How will they enforce a vaccine mandate, that is the question. In Greece, I believe it is 100 euro per month for anybody who is unvaccinated but what if that does not work? What if jail terms do not work?
What do the authorities do then?

Measles and mumps vaccines are VERY different to COVID vaccines, as are the pathogens, you are comparing apples with pears.

I made no comment on the vaccines - I don't know enough about any of them. I am just pointing out that measles and mumps were at one time considered to be relatively mild, in the same way that someone pointed out that polio was mild for many people.

In case you wonder, I did get measles as a child but I am still here more than 60 plus years later. My brother caught mumps but I didn't catch it from him. And yes, I have had my covid vaccine and will take the booster when offered, but I don't like the scaremongering which seems to say that if you catch Covid, you will certainly die.

@MrsSkylerWhite
Interestingly there is a marked U-shaped curve with those holding more sceptical views coming from the two extremes of the least and most educated in society, and the compliant sitting more in the middle of educational achievement.

Not sure if this has already been said, but Germany’s actual policy is vaccinated or recently recovered from Covid.. if you remain unvaccinated you are fairly likely to catch Covid therefore that gives you back your ‘liberty’.

Unless you die of course…

I can see the hospital beds are getting overwhelmed but this is likely because of viruses that haven’t been able to run through the population normally are making people very poorly.
No, that’s not the reason HTH