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Wtf is going on??!!

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NearlyDown · 03/12/2021 00:41

I actually think it’s quite scary and a bit strange the amount of people who are happy to have their human rights taken away.

For the record I’m fully vaccinated and I think that the vaccine is brilliant, but it is a medical procedure and I don’t think people that have made the decision not to have said medical procedure should then not be able to participate in society.

This is not at all normal, I can see the hospital beds are getting overwhelmed but this is likely because of viruses that haven’t been able to run through the population normally are making people very poorly.

Which means that this will happen every winter forevermore if we don’t let humans, vaccinated or not just get on with life.

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Newbabynewhouse · 03/12/2021 10:08

@Bagamoyo1

Yes and apparently they all had a Christmas party last year when we all had to follow rules of 1 household allowed..they havnt denied it

herecomesthsun · 03/12/2021 10:11

@Bagamoyo1

The worrying thing that has struck me about this, is how it’s brought into focus the massive difference in rules for “us” and “them”.

While desperate single parents were being fined for taking their toddler to the park and daring to have a snack (being labelled a picnic!), the likes of Dominic Cummings were travelling around the country sightseeing.
While people were prevented from visiting their loved ones at Christmas, Downing Street had parties.

At times it’s felt to me as if we’re being laughed at - us stupid peasants following the rules, while Boris strides around a hospital without a mask on.
I’ve always known that senior politicians looked after number 1, but I never imagined they would simply break laws with absolutely no meaningful comeback. That is what truly terrifies me.

There were also limitations on loved ones being with a family member when dying. That was heartbreaking.
churchofthepoisonmind · 03/12/2021 10:12

@MrsSkylerWhite

Anythingbutsnow

Even if I didn't agree with what OP is saying, I would defend her right to say it. It's so important that we carefully consider these minority opinions to stop the majority becoming a tyranny“

There are very good reasons why these opinions are held by the minority.

I think it's a bit naive to assume the majority view is always somehow right. The majority voted Donald Trump to power ..
Draggondragon · 03/12/2021 10:13

These posts are so boring and stupid, can I just flip the end and ask if Hitler has been mentioned yet?

Claudethecat · 03/12/2021 10:14

@CamQ

The CFR has fallen significantly since the start of the pandemic due to vaccinations and treatments and is now similar to flu, with an age profile skewed more to the elderly than flu.

I agree with OP, a pathogen which is now endemic rather than pandemic, and similar to flu in morbidity and mortality does not warrant the worrying measures seen in Europe or even the mask-wearing rules here.

The precedents are worrying. This is not Ebola.

For context I’m a double-jabbed scientist.

A "double-jabbed scientist". That made me chortle for some reason.

So what measures do you think should be in place right now? None?

Newbabynewhouse · 03/12/2021 10:15

@Dontwanttherivalry

I see your point there but maybe its because you lick envelopes? They xoukd get around that though by saying they must be sealed with celotape and not saliva..

churchofthepoisonmind · 03/12/2021 10:15

@Draggondragon

These posts are so boring and stupid, can I just flip the end and ask if Hitler has been mentioned yet?
Genuine question @Draggondragon for you and others who find these posts boring - what would like to see happen from a policy standpoint to people who refuse at all costs to be vaccinated? ie even under threat of jail and fines? What would be your next step?
ravenmum · 03/12/2021 10:15

@Draggondragon

These posts are so boring and stupid, can I just flip the end and ask if Hitler has been mentioned yet?
yep
Claudethecat · 03/12/2021 10:16

@Draggondragon

These posts are so boring and stupid, can I just flip the end and ask if Hitler has been mentioned yet?
Not quite yet, though there was some vague muttering about Austria and Germany, no surprise etc.
Claudethecat · 03/12/2021 10:17

Oh I must have missed the Hitler reference!

Campfirewood · 03/12/2021 10:18

Let's see what the data says after these countries they these measures. If it works, well it wasn't so stupid was it? If it prevents deaths... if it doesn't then back to the drawing board,
Let's be data/science-driven to make decisions here, and not do so based on emotion.

ravenmum · 03/12/2021 10:18

The Meaningful Anagram post is my fave so far.

Peregrina · 03/12/2021 10:20

Nazi Germany has been mentioned. But far from being boring and stupid, there is a serious debate to be had.

We don't know whether non-vaccinated people are the cause of the spread or not.

I myself would like to see much more emphasis put into finding treatments for it - so that it becomes like a heavy cold - something which is a nuisance for the majority, but not life threatening.

InCahootswithOrwell · 03/12/2021 10:20

@churchofthepoisonmind

I agree OP. I am not vaccinated, through choice. I am past caring if people judge me for that. The concern for me is not the restrictions in Germany - if they want to lockdown the unvaccinated, let them get on with it. I personally don't think it will make any difference since we know both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread this, but hey ho. No, my concern is, what next? What if that does not work? How will they enforce a vaccine mandate, that is the question. In Greece, I believe it is 100 euro per month for anybody who is unvaccinated but what if that does not work? What if jail terms do not work? What do the authorities do then?
Go back to locking everything down and closing pubs/nightclubs/retail and whatever other restrictions they had when there were no vaccines. It’ll be the only option they have.
EmotionalSupportBear · 03/12/2021 10:22

its not contravening ANY 'human rights' here in the UK.

We abide by the Human Rights act 1988. The only one you might argue is the one about the Right to Liberty.. however, that does have a bit in it that legally allows the government to detain/restrict public movement in certain circumstances.

"When can a public authority interfere with a qualified right?
A public authority can only interfere with a qualified right if it’s allowed under the law. It must also show that it has a specific reason set out in the Human Rights Act for interfering with your rights. The Act calls these reasons a legitimate aim.

Examples of legitimate aims include:

the protection of other people’s rights
national security
public safety
the prevention of crime
the protection of health.
The interference must be no more than what's absolutely necessary to achieve one of the aims in the Act. The Human Rights Act says the interference must be necessary in a democratic society."

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/civil-rights/human-rights/when-can-a-public-authority-interfere-with-your-human-rights/

Claudethecat · 03/12/2021 10:24

@Peregrina

Nazi Germany has been mentioned. But far from being boring and stupid, there is a serious debate to be had.

We don't know whether non-vaccinated people are the cause of the spread or not.

I myself would like to see much more emphasis put into finding treatments for it - so that it becomes like a heavy cold - something which is a nuisance for the majority, but not life threatening.

That is exactly what is happening.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59502745.amp

Peregrina · 03/12/2021 10:26

A number of Tories want to repeal the Human Rights Act though. However, if what we have seen so far is typical, they themselves will go on breaking the rules that they impose on others.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/12/2021 10:27

CamQ

@MrsSkylerWhite
Interestingly there is a marked U-shaped curve with those holding more sceptical views coming from the two extremes of the least and most educated in society, and the compliant sitting more in the middle of educational achievement.“

Yes, that is interesting. Can you point me to it?

Potwoman · 03/12/2021 10:29

[quote EmotionalSupportBear]its not contravening ANY 'human rights' here in the UK.

We abide by the Human Rights act 1988. The only one you might argue is the one about the Right to Liberty.. however, that does have a bit in it that legally allows the government to detain/restrict public movement in certain circumstances.

"When can a public authority interfere with a qualified right?
A public authority can only interfere with a qualified right if it’s allowed under the law. It must also show that it has a specific reason set out in the Human Rights Act for interfering with your rights. The Act calls these reasons a legitimate aim.

Examples of legitimate aims include:

the protection of other people’s rights
national security
public safety
the prevention of crime
the protection of health.
The interference must be no more than what's absolutely necessary to achieve one of the aims in the Act. The Human Rights Act says the interference must be necessary in a democratic society."

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/civil-rights/human-rights/when-can-a-public-authority-interfere-with-your-human-rights/[/quote]
So with all the above in mind would it be ok for the unvaccinated to be physically restrained and forcibly vaccinated?

churchofthepoisonmind · 03/12/2021 10:31

So with all the above in mind would it be ok for the unvaccinated to be physically restrained and forcibly vaccinated?
This is the elephant in the room. This is the thing those supporting these 'mandates' dare not mention as it is unpalatable to most decent folk.

Dishhh · 03/12/2021 10:34

[quote OutwiththeOutCrowd]Those that think the 'Covid Camps' in Australia are acceptable, should watch this firsthand account.

[/quote]

That isn't even true. Howard Springs (as I posted earlier) is used to quarantine returned travellers from overseas and interstate. It isn't an 'internment camp'. That is the worst kind of propaganda and you've fallen for it.

MissAmbrosia · 03/12/2021 10:35

In many countries childhood vaccinations are compulsory for attending school - you know, to protect the other children.

Peregrina · 03/12/2021 10:36

I was thinking more of over the counter treatments, so that people weren't scared of Covid.

Anythingbutsnow · 03/12/2021 10:38

Regarding the quarantine camps. Would people who support them be happy to be dragged away from their home and family for 14 days?
Or have a family member forced into one. I wonder how long it is before people are hiding in the loft to avoid being arrested and taken to a camp.
Sorry, but I don't think it would be a huge leap if we started hearing the police in Australia have shot someone for trying to escape to one of the camps.

BlueskiesAbove · 03/12/2021 10:38

@Ghoulette

Get vaccinated and wear a mask. It is SO FUCKING SIMPLE.

No one is out there whining about mandated seatbelt wearing, will take all the medication under the sun with NO CLUE what is in it and NO research via Dr Google and will quite happily wrap a whole scarf over their face for long periods in winter.

But a heavily researched vaccine (despite how rapidly it was made) and a thin piece of material over their faces is a huge deal. Get a grip and stop being a bunch of selfish fuckers, then maybe you can have your "freedoms"?

Thank you for your well thought out intellectual contribution to the thread littered with obscenities and caps lock ranting.

Your seatbelt analogy is flawed as already discussed on the other thread as you are comparing seatbelt wearers with vaccinated people. How many people suffer adverse side effects from wearing a seat belt contrary to the many thousands in the Uk alone who have had the vaccine?