What does everyone think about the banning of the unvaxxed in Germany?

[Katieandthekids]

I'm just interested in opinions. I personally believe that no one should ever force anyone to put something in their body.

Just as a side: I had both vaccines during my pregnancy and still not 100% sure I've done the right thing but in balance and after lots of my research believe 99% that it is fine. Totally respect the reasons people are nervous about it though.

It's a good idea

@Derbee

Nobody is being forced to get vaccinated. It’s called natural consequences. You’re a risk to your health service and your fellow countrymen, you’re excluded from some things.

This is an absurd view and I am normally very open to listening to each view but what on earth? This is a crazy statement.

The bloody government broke every single covid rule going before the vaccine and we’re meant to stay in line and serve our fellow ‘countrymen’. Every single time you do almost anything it could end up with you needing an icu bed.

www.gov.uk/government/news/excess-weight-can-increase-risk-of-serious-illness-and-death-from-covid-19

“One study found that for people with a BMI of 35 to 40, risk of death from COVID-19 increases by 40% and with a BMI over 40 by 90%, compared to those not living with obesity. Other data found that in intensive care units, 7.9% of critically ill patients with COVID-19 had a BMI over 40 compared with 2.9% of the general population”

Good idea for the time being.

Every single time you do almost anything it could end up with you needing an icu bed

This is a crazier statement than anything I’ve read on most of these threads.

It’s a really simple concept. If people are so ignorant and selfish that they refuse a vaccine, and risk overwhelming a national health service, they will inevitably need to face some consequences.

@userperuser

www.gov.uk/government/news/excess-weight-can-increase-risk-of-serious-illness-and-death-from-covid-19

“One study found that for people with a BMI of 35 to 40, risk of death from COVID-19 increases by 40% and with a BMI over 40 by 90%, compared to those not living with obesity. Other data found that in intensive care units, 7.9% of critically ill patients with COVID-19 had a BMI over 40 compared with 2.9% of the general population”

Indeed, there was a presenter on radio LBC called Nick Ferrari suggesting people should have knocks on the door to be vaccinated as they are a risk to the NHS. It's a pity no one called in to ask him why he was still morbidly obese 2 years into the pandemic meaning he was more likely to be in hospital himself preaching to others about their health. These blinkered characters are obsessed with covid to the point of almost frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog, the likes of the BBC and sky have done a great job in terrifying these poor souls but it's strange how the terror doesn't stop them looking at their own lifestyle choices yet preaching to others about theirs

@Derbee

Every single time you do almost anything it could end up with you needing an icu bed

This is a crazier statement than anything I’ve read on most of these threads.

It’s a really simple concept. If people are so ignorant and selfish that they refuse a vaccine, and risk overwhelming a national health service, they will inevitably need to face some consequences.

Why do you need to face consequences though for not having a medical procedure? I am fully vaccinated fwiw.

A poster up thread says she is not vaccinated at the moment due to pregnancy and many others may have their own personal reasons for not being vaccinated? Why should you be punished for not having a medical procedure?

@Derbee

Every single time you do almost anything it could end up with you needing an icu bed

This is a crazier statement than anything I’ve read on most of these threads.

It’s a really simple concept. If people are so ignorant and selfish that they refuse a vaccine, and risk overwhelming a national health service, they will inevitably need to face some consequences.

Your post is so laughably blinkered it could set off at cheltenham

@BlueskiesAbove

so does this

1.3 million people were admitted to hospital in 2020 for alcohol related issues yet vaccinated people can all attend pubs contributing to that where drum roll " the vaccine doesn't stop you either passing it on or catching it" and those evil tin fil wearing anti vaxxers must stay in to protect the NHS.

That was addressed to me? Er... Alcoholism is not contagious.

As well as projection - it strikes me you are the poster who is 'screaming', delivering 'sanctimonious rants', and who more accurately could be said to be displaying 'no substance to your posts', 'just bluster and hot air' - you seem to have troubling inability to understand that this is a viral pandemic, involving exponential growth, whose growth is limited considerably by vaccination of the bulk of suitable candidates...

Also, you don't seem to have grasped that this thread is about the situation in Germany, and therefore has nothing to do with the NHS.

Where I live you can't go into a public library if unvaccinated. Haven't seen anyone over here marching on the streets about that infringement on their basic human rights, interestingly.

A poster up thread says she is not vaccinated at the moment due to pregnancy and many others may have their own personal reasons for not being vaccinated? Why should you be punished for not having a medical procedure?

I don’t accept that being pregnant is a valid reason to refuse a vaccine, and I say that as a pregnant woman who has been double jabbed, and is waiting for a booster.

I think describing a simple vaccine as a “medical procedure” is a bit of a stretch. And I think that if a large group of adults are too ignorant to make sensible decisions for the good of everyone else, and the health system, they need someone to take charge. Much like you wouldn’t let a toddler driver, even if they’d “done their research” about how cars work. “Done my research” seems to be the key phrase that antivaxers trot out time after time.

BlueskiesAbove

I saw that clip on LBC and thought the exact same things as did thousands of others who commented on it.

Think how frightening it must be if you are classified as CEV, have school age children and feel that every day you are under siege? Lockdown means everyone's in the same boat, there's a sense of solidarity, but opening up brings isolation to anyone CEV.
Would you expect them to take their children out of school to protect themselves from their unvaccinated under 12s?
To talk about getting back to "normal" and probably not realise that anyone who's ever been restricted previously due to a health condition will still be a long way off from "normal" -so anything to help mitigate is really a small ask as no one is being forced to do anything.

Put yourself in someone else's shoes and see what it feels like to have been "banned" from normal life.

@Derbee

A poster up thread says she is not vaccinated at the moment due to pregnancy and many others may have their own personal reasons for not being vaccinated? Why should you be punished for not having a medical procedure?

I don’t accept that being pregnant is a valid reason to refuse a vaccine, and I say that as a pregnant woman who has been double jabbed, and is waiting for a booster.

I think describing a simple vaccine as a “medical procedure” is a bit of a stretch. And I think that if a large group of adults are too ignorant to make sensible decisions for the good of everyone else, and the health system, they need someone to take charge. Much like you wouldn’t let a toddler driver, even if they’d “done their research” about how cars work. “Done my research” seems to be the key phrase that antivaxers trot out time after time.

You might not accept it as a valid reason, but she has obviously decided that it’s a valid reason for her not to get vaccinated. And that’s ok! You’ve decided that’s ok for you and great but it doesn’t makes her a lesser person in society and not able to do basic things because she made thar decision.

It is, believe it or not, a medical procedure. And again, I am fully vaccinated and in no way against vaccination. I am against segregating people and blindly shouting anti vaxxer at people that actually have a balanced view and can see beyond ‘doing this for our countrymen.’

@milkyaqua My posts give actual stats rather than just generic phrases used in an attempt to close any covid debate down- the same sort of things get spouted out such as and not limited to

" anti vaxxers"
"trumpers"
"covid deniers"
"brexiters"
" daily fail readers" etc etc etc

As soon as anyone says they are concerned about the vaccine mandate they have to add " I am not an anti vaxxer" to shut hysterical people like you up.

We all know that alcoholism isn't contagious but the NHS being overwhelmed is continually mentioned so it helps to get some sense of proportion comparing covid to all you vaccinated guys in the pubs living the high life soon contributing to millions of hospital admissions "doing your bit for the greater good"

The thread may relate to Germany but are you naive enough to think that other countries won't follow their lead regarding these reprehensible legislations which are being introduced? If you as you say " can't get into a public library without being vaccinated " it says more about where you live and your blind acceptance of such disgusting rules than anything I've said.

Crabapple04

That’s why CEV were prioritised for vaccines so they are protected, everyone has their lives restricted to protect the vulnerable until a vaccine was available.

You might not accept it as a valid reason, but she has obviously decided that it’s a valid reason for her not to get vaccinated. And that’s ok!

But so did the number of pregnant women who have ended up in ICU, or ended up dying needlessly from Covid. It’s not ok. It’s a travesty that people are dying when their deaths could have been prevented.

Anyway, this thread was asking what people think about restrictions for unvaccinated people. Some are horrified by it, others agree that it’s necessary.

@Derbee

A poster up thread says she is not vaccinated at the moment due to pregnancy and many others may have their own personal reasons for not being vaccinated? Why should you be punished for not having a medical procedure?

I don’t accept that being pregnant is a valid reason to refuse a vaccine, and I say that as a pregnant woman who has been double jabbed, and is waiting for a booster.

I think describing a simple vaccine as a “medical procedure” is a bit of a stretch. And I think that if a large group of adults are too ignorant to make sensible decisions for the good of everyone else, and the health system, they need someone to take charge. Much like you wouldn’t let a toddler driver, even if they’d “done their research” about how cars work. “Done my research” seems to be the key phrase that antivaxers trot out time after time.

You're entitled to your opinion, such as it is, and others are entitled to theirs.

Calling people names and attempting to belittle them only makes you look foolish.

@Derbee

A poster up thread says she is not vaccinated at the moment due to pregnancy and many others may have their own personal reasons for not being vaccinated? Why should you be punished for not having a medical procedure?

I don’t accept that being pregnant is a valid reason to refuse a vaccine, and I say that as a pregnant woman who has been double jabbed, and is waiting for a booster.

I think describing a simple vaccine as a “medical procedure” is a bit of a stretch. And I think that if a large group of adults are too ignorant to make sensible decisions for the good of everyone else, and the health system, they need someone to take charge. Much like you wouldn’t let a toddler driver, even if they’d “done their research” about how cars work. “Done my research” seems to be the key phrase that antivaxers trot out time after time.

Who cares that you " don't accept being pregnant as a valid reason to refuse the vaccine". It's none of your business what that lady does or how she treats her body with an unborn baby still inside- the fact you think you have a right to even comment on it cements your own lack of awareness and judging by your posts, I wouldn't discuss the ramifications of not having intelligence as you don't seem particularly well blessed in that department. All people like you ever crow on about are "anti vaxxers" and "tin hats" because it's all your brain can cope with as you attempt to pigeonhole people with a large brush to simplify things for your brain to handle.... believing anything else would probably result in steam coming out of your ears like an overheating kettle due to the exertion.

@doublemonkey who has been called a name? If you’re referring to “antivaxer”, what would you use to describe some who is anti vaccination?

As soon as anyone says they are concerned about the vaccine mandate they have to add " I am not an anti vaxxer" to shut hysterical people like you up.

I'm hysterical? As I said, quite a lot of projection.

You have given loads of 'stats', by the way - all unrelated to this thread.

“As well as projection - it strikes me you are the poster who is 'screaming', delivering 'sanctimonious rants', and who more accurately could be said to be displaying 'no substance to your posts', 'just bluster and hot air' - you seem to have troubling inability to understand that this is a viral pandemic, involving exponential growth, whose growth is limited considerably by vaccination of the bulk of suitable candidates...”

Correct 👏

@BlueskiesAbove it’s none of my business. But it IS a the business of a government to decide what they’re going to do about large numbers of people refusing vaccines.

This thread was started to ask what people’s opinions are about restrictions for unvaccinated people. Some are for, some are against. What’s so difficult to understand?

@Derbee

You might not accept it as a valid reason, but she has obviously decided that it’s a valid reason for her not to get vaccinated. And that’s ok!

But so did the number of pregnant women who have ended up in ICU, or ended up dying needlessly from Covid. It’s not ok. It’s a travesty that people are dying when their deaths could have been prevented.

Anyway, this thread was asking what people think about restrictions for unvaccinated people. Some are horrified by it, others agree that it’s necessary.

Care to provide actual numbers of " pregnant women dying of covid "?

[quote Derbee]@doublemonkey who has been called a name? If you’re referring to “antivaxer”, what would you use to describe some who is anti vaccination? [/quote]
Most people who haven't had the covid vaccine have had other vaccines, they may have decided they don't want one for covid so does that make them an " anti vaxxer"?

[quote Derbee]@doublemonkey who has been called a name? If you’re referring to “antivaxer”, what would you use to describe some who is anti vaccination? [/quote]
How do you know they are anti vaccination?