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What does everyone think about the banning of the unvaxxed in Germany?

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Katieandthekids · 02/12/2021 21:33

I'm just interested in opinions. I personally believe that no one should ever force anyone to put something in their body.

Just as a side: I had both vaccines during my pregnancy and still not 100% sure I've done the right thing but in balance and after lots of my research believe 99% that it is fine. Totally respect the reasons people are nervous about it though.

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SlimAspect · 03/12/2021 02:46

@BlueskiesAbove

Agreed *@MarbleQueen* but rational thinking on this seems to get closed down. Tomorrow we will have to read about anti vaxxers and tin hats again with the odd covid minimiser tag thrown in as many are so entrenched in their thinking it's become almost a mad covid cult now.

I'm convinced if the government introduced a mandate for people to wear a bucket over our heads with a couple of holes to see out of the debate would transform to " surely one hole is enough or are you a selfish anti bucketer risking lives" in due course

Exactly! You’re not a Covid denier for rational thinking
SlimAspect · 03/12/2021 02:48

@gofg

Such a lot of drama on here! Covid passes became a "thing" in NZ from today - I've already shown mine three times. I couldn't care less, and certainly don't think it's the start of some slippery slope where the government is going to take away all our rights.
Well NZ is crazily restricted and you thinking otherwise just proves my point
gofg · 03/12/2021 02:54

Well NZ is crazily restricted and you thinking otherwise just proves my point

Is it really? And you know this how? I think "crazily restricted" is, once again, very dramatic.

BlueskiesAbove · 03/12/2021 03:00

No, showing a "covid pass " for daily life 3 times a day is perfectly liberal.

SlimAspect · 03/12/2021 03:05

@gofg

Well NZ is crazily restricted and you thinking otherwise just proves my point

Is it really? And you know this how? I think "crazily restricted" is, once again, very dramatic.

What?! I can see the restrictions and as you say yourself you’ve had to show your “covid pass” that’s very much heavily restricted
AutomaticMoon · 03/12/2021 03:08

@MarbleQueen Thank you for the lancet study, data is getting pretty clear but sadly some people treat vaccines as a religion, it seems. It doesn’t help matters that corruption is occurring when big profits are involved, in science and medicine.

gofg · 03/12/2021 03:10

No, showing a "covid pass " for daily life 3 times a day is perfectly liberal.

I won't be showing it 3 times every day for the rest of my life - get a grip! I've been to two eating places and a rest home and waving a piece of paper at a scanner is hardly difficult. Everyone else there was also happily showing theirs, and the chemist was full of people having theirs printed for them - not one word of complaint.

Still waiting to hear what all these "restrictions" are (I admit there are some but nothing too dramatic)

AutomaticMoon · 03/12/2021 03:21

@SlimAspect @BlueskiesAbove I agree, people will even say the bucket doesn’t bother them at all and they don’t see what our problem is. The covid pass was supposed to just contain vaccine data and then it was changed to hold data regarding your mental health, information relating to family of individual, lifestyle and social circumstances, ethnic origin, genetic biometric data, alleged criminal behaviour...

BootsScootsAndToots · 03/12/2021 03:33

It's very hard to convince the other side that their reasons are wrong. Whichever side you sit on!

For me, in Australia, my DC can't got to school without being up-to-date on their vaccinations. So I don't see it as outrageous that certain sectors (nursing, teaching etc) should have to have this vaccine.

I can also understand that being vaccinated doesn't mean I won't get Covid or pass it on, but that it won't be as severe or the viral load I pass on won't be as high.

I think doing that for myself, and for society, is perfectly acceptable.

I've said this before, but I think we're going to look back at this time in history and judge us as a totally selfish, individualistic society.

SlimAspect · 03/12/2021 03:41

@BootsScootsAndToots

It's very hard to convince the other side that their reasons are wrong. Whichever side you sit on!

For me, in Australia, my DC can't got to school without being up-to-date on their vaccinations. So I don't see it as outrageous that certain sectors (nursing, teaching etc) should have to have this vaccine.

I can also understand that being vaccinated doesn't mean I won't get Covid or pass it on, but that it won't be as severe or the viral load I pass on won't be as high.

I think doing that for myself, and for society, is perfectly acceptable.

I've said this before, but I think we're going to look back at this time in history and judge us as a totally selfish, individualistic society.

I honestly don’t think there should be a ‘side’ though. With a vaccine so new and the severity of illness even depending on vaccines, the ever evading variants I don’t see a side.

I’ve been called many things on this thread alone by just saying that maybe everyone should just make their own decisions. And that is on every single thing applicable. It’s not against the law to refuse a vaccine, therefore you shouldn’t be punished for doing so.

It’s like we’ve been forced into this ‘us’ vs ‘them’ thing and that’s not the case. I’m vaccinated but I wouldn’t call someone stupid or expect them to live life differently to me just because they’re not.

Dishhh · 03/12/2021 03:59

@BlueskiesAbove

The government hide behind between stats such as between January and July most patients were unvaccinated in covid wards who died- what they fail to mention is most people earlier this year were unvaccinated ( 2 jabs).

Regarding your claim about most Covid patients in hospital being vaccinated, isn't this just simple statistics?

For example, if I pour a large amount of blue pebbles and a smaller amount of green pebbles into a dish, and then grab some out with my hand, I'll generally always have majority of blue pebbles over green.

It's the same with Covid patients. Given the amount of people that have been vaccinated, of those present in a Covid ward at any Covid time the majority will generally be vaccinated.

MrsSchadenfreude · 03/12/2021 04:08

Where I live (30% of population vaccinated, one of the highest death rates in Europe), you are only allowed to access supermarkets and pharmacies without a vaccination certificate. No malls, bars, restaurants or any other shop. There has been a much higher take up in the vaccine since they brought in these rules, which were essentially to keep people out of ICU in a health system that was becoming overwhelmed.

GiantHaystacks2021 · 03/12/2021 04:20

Just get the damn vaccine.
It's not a death sentence.

User63896578 · 03/12/2021 06:22

We need to be worrying what's happening in our own country not what others are doing, a lot of other countries do things we may not agree with because it is a different culture.

Lostinacloud · 03/12/2021 06:24

@gofg it’s not a problem for you today to wave your paper or phone at someone to enter a restaurant because you’re vaccinated. But what about when you have to get your 5th booster after the 4th one made you very ill and suddenly it’s not as easy to just get vaccinated so you can go inside a restaurant.
And you say that the NZ government isn’t trying to take away your civil rights, in my opinion they already have! You are now in a contract to keep up with vaccinations for as long as they want you to have them no matter how you might react to them in the future, otherwise it will be you who can’t go out for a meal.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 03/12/2021 06:30

I wish our government was brave enough to do the same… but they won’t because they aren’t sensible

Marianne1234 · 03/12/2021 06:47

We are so privileged to have these vaccines. My youngest had covid last week and none of caught it. I have no doubt that’s because of the vaccines.

IHateFlies · 03/12/2021 06:52

@OnceuponaRainbow18

I wish our government was brave enough to do the same… but they won’t because they aren’t sensible
Germany are desperate to reduce cases as they’re becoming overwhelmed which is why they’re trying this. No guarantee that it’ll achieve anything. I wonder what your reason for our government doing this when we’re not doing badly at all?
Remmy123 · 03/12/2021 07:04

It's horrific. Grateful I do not live in Germany!

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Tavelo · 03/12/2021 07:15

The most bizarre part is that being vaccinated doesn't have much of an effect on transmission, it mostly prevents you from serious illness yourself. Which is fantastic, but what if you've already been infected and were just fine? You'll likey be more immune than the vaccinated.

CaliforniaDrumming · 03/12/2021 07:20

Untrue. Repeated a lot on here. Still untrue.

Sassenach85 · 03/12/2021 07:29

Corrupt governments and leaders I expect. Manipulation and self serving rules. It is the reaction of our population, humans showing what they are capable of. Neighbours, workmates and friends. I find it frightening, sickening and it terrifying. I’m worried what world my children are going to grow up in. If we raise a question against anything we are conspiracy theorists?? Since when? Medicine and science is based on continually questioning and analysing data. A mainstream theory is being pushed but that doesn’t mean it is the only way forward! The way people react on these threads with no critical thinking skills is chilling and easy to see how huge populations can be me manipulated to accept atrocities.

User63896578 · 03/12/2021 07:32

Its only really relevant to people living in Germany and the German posters on here, do we worry this much about what is happening in China

CaliforniaDrumming · 03/12/2021 07:34

Plenty of data to show that the vaccine reduces transmission substantially. I find it hard to engage with posters who use non transmission as a plank for their arguments about authoritarian governments.