Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

No. Had two jabs and had a horrendous dose of Covid recently so for those saying it prevents you from getting really ill, it doesn’t!

But... How ill do you reckon you would have been without having had the vaccine? Do you think you would have been equally ill?

@Mydietstartstomorrow

No. Had two jabs and had a horrendous dose of Covid recently so for those saying it prevents you from getting really ill, it doesn’t! Had a really bad reaction to the first jab, not putting myself through it again. People are clearly forgetting it doesn’t stop you from getting it, doesn’t stop you from spreading it, and doesn’t stop you from being really ill from it. It may stop you from dying but the likelihood of that if you’re healthy is minuscule. And a 30 year old woman, daughter of someone I know, with no underlying health conditions had a sudden heart attack and died last week and the Drs have advised likely caused by the vaccine. So you take your chances either way and let people make their own choices

I can resonate with this. A friend's 23 year old daughter had a cardiac arrest last week which was likely caused by her recent vaccine. I'm still not over the side effects from my second jab and am suffering from terrible joint pain and fatigue which came on hours after my jab and is still here 4 months later. No more.

...also I worry about the effects on our bodies, especially the liver, of repeated vaccinations. I'm not anti vax as I've had the double but this is a concern too.

Lussekatt Probably the same but I’ll never know that answer. I’m healthy generally, not over weight, not in a high risk group so who knows but I’m not taking something that makes me ill, and doesn’t stop me from getting ill 🤷‍♀️

@flipflop76

...also I worry about the effects on our bodies, especially the liver, of repeated vaccinations. I'm not anti vax as I've had the double but this is a concern too.

Of vaccinations in general? Or specifically a coronavirus vaccine?

The liver doesn't deal with mRNA/cDNA or vaccine components in the same way it does with drugs. Of all the things to worry about with vaccination, impact on the liver would not be top of my list.

@Lussekatt

now that there are cases emerging that it is causing severe side effects/death

But what you seem to be ignoring here is that having covid carries a far higher risk of debilitating side effects than the vaccines do.

It's really sad about that girl you know and while there is a small risk that it has to do with the vaccine, it seems unlikely. If they don't recognise it as a side effect, it's because there's simply no data to support it. After just shy of 8 billion vaccines administered globally, they would more likely than not have seen it in enough people that they would recognise it as a possible side effect of having the vaccine.

No I am not ignoring that. You and others like you are so obsessed with the vaccine and demanding that every one else falls in line with the booster shots are ignoring that actually the vaccine too is having a detrimental effect on some people. How do you know that the seizures the young girl is having is unlikely to have anything to do with the vaccine? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The chance of me dying with covid is minuscule
The chance of me dying from the vaccine is minuscule.

I think that people have a right to be worried about what is going in to their body. I think that if people have had their two shots - they shouldn't be bullied in to having a booster. No one should be bullied in to doing anything they dont want.

How do you know that the seizures the young girl is having is unlikely to have anything to do with the vaccine? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Suspect I am one of the "others" referenced here. I know nothing about this person, their medical history, what vaccine they had. I simply pointed out that if her neurologist and HCPs do not believe the vaccine triggered her seizures, then it seems likely they were not.

Ascribing blame to vaccination instead of doing a proper medical workup seems more irresponsible IMO - there are plenty of (potentially serious) factors that can cause sudden onset seizures in adulthood that are more likely than vaccination and need to be investigated.

This is particularly true now that we have given billions of doses, allowing us to detect very rare side effects such as CVSTs and peri/myocarditis, and no signal for seizure disorders has been suggested.

@LittleoldTERFy

That autopsy study does not exist.

The fact you've put it in quote marks doesn't make it legitimate - it can easily be seen that the link referenced doesn't take you to sources that back it up.

@LittleoldTERFy

Who is trying to bully you? I, and others, are simply pointing out facts. That you don't like it does not make it bullying.

However, I do feel very strongly about scaremongering and the need to argue against it. So many people have been convinced to not have the vaccine by reading anecdotal evidence from people on for example Facebook, and many have died as a result.

By all means, don't have the vaccine. That is your choice. But unless you have actual scientific data backing up your claims, you really shouldn't share certain things.

@Mydietstartstomorrow sorry to hear that, how long were you in hospital?

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Yeah the vaccine doesn’t cause side effects really 🙄

Porcupineintherough I wasn’t in hospital

@Mydietstartstomorrow

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Yeah the vaccine doesn’t cause side effects really 🙄

Unlike COVID is that?

@flipflop76

...also I worry about the effects on our bodies, especially the liver, of repeated vaccinations. I'm not anti vax as I've had the double but this is a concern too.

Let me reassure you that there isn't any need to worry about the effects of the vaccine on your liver.

The benefits of vaccination far outweigh the potential side effects, and there isn't any particular concern about effects on the liver in particular.

There is however a risk of damage to a number of different organs with covid infection, including the lungs, the heart and the brain. And a small but real risk of death, which is significantly higher with covid infection than with the vaccinations.

@Mydietstartstomorrow

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1036512/Coronavirus_vaccine_-_summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_17NOV.pdf

Yeah the vaccine doesn’t cause side effects really 🙄

What do you think you're proving here though?

The fact that Yellow Card (or VAERS) data cannot be used to infer causality has been explained many times. It even says as such on their website.

It's a surveillance website - used to flag side effects that are appearing at a greater rate than in a comparable unvaccinated population.

Consider miscarriage. Sadly it occurs in 1/3 pregnancies. If no-one miscarried after vaccination, this would be incredibly unexpected and would mean the vaccine is somehow protective against pregnancy loss. This is the case for all side effects - things occur at a general rate in the population. When they appear to be occuring at a higher rate than expected, such as myocarditis, this is a cause for alarm.

Truimphantly posting the total of number of yellow card reports not the "gotcha!" you think it is.

@Mydietstartstomorrow

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1036512/Coronavirus_vaccine_-_summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_17NOV.pdf

Yeah the vaccine doesn’t cause side effects really 🙄

No one has said it doesn't, but it does so at a far lower rate than having Covid itself does.

For example, the blood clot risk is up to 10 times higher from having Covid than from having the vaccine, yet thousands and thousands of people have refused the vaccine quoting blood clot risk. Is that not quite strange?

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]@LittleoldTERFy

That autopsy study does not exist.

The fact you've put it in quote marks doesn't make it legitimate - it can easily be seen that the link referenced doesn't take you to sources that back it up.[/quote]
Autopsys are not public. You can not just stick one on line as its part of that persons medical history.

The link that I think you are referring to is to a Spanish news paper article www.ilriformista.it/camilla-canepa-la-perizia-della-procura-sulla-studentessa-morte-ragionevolmente-dovuta-a-effetti-avversi-di-astrazeneca-256112/?refresh_ce

You can google the article and you it through Google translate - it works ok. But there is a condensed version below in English. You can also google the medical examiner Luca Tajana - they really do exist.

This is similar round up but in English www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2021/10/21/student-18-died-of-reaction-to-vaccine-say-experts_2d381d46-6838-419d-ac84-72f917fb3692.html

So yes its absolutely legitimate and those questions were asked in European Parliament by Francesca Donatowww.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/197822/FRANCESCA_DONATO/home

Because you are so hell bent on accusing every one of being anti vaxxers and pouring scorn on people and that you would rather accuse people of posting fake links - you fail to see that there is genuine concern and already questions being raised.

I also quoted the passage so it would be a quick read - not every thing has a hidden meaning - who is being the conspiracy theorist now?

I get my flu jag every year so will get the covid jag yearly too, if it's like the booster/flu combo I had in October.

I'm not having boosters every 3 or 6 months etc if that became a thing but yearly yeah

Why was my post removed @MNHQ?

I hope it wasn't because a poster said it was fake link - as I have just proved its very much real.

Because you are so hell bent on accusing every one of being anti vaxxers and pouring scorn on people and that you would rather accuse people of posting fake links - you fail to see that there is genuine concern and already questions being raised.

Haven't accused anyone of being "anti-vaxxer" nor a conspiracy theorist.

The conclusions you posted are not from an existing study, I'm not sure how much more I can say. The conclusions you're drawing are a misinterpretation of research that was actually conducted.

As I said, anyone can post anything to the parlimentary questions, in exactly the same way anyone can post anything to a FOI request here.

Yep. I'll take is every year, same as flu vaccine, Tetanus, shingles of any other vaccine which Is suggested for me as as I age. immunisations are proven to help prevent people getting and spreading serious diseases.

@LittleoldTERFy

Why was my post removed *@MNHQ*?

I hope it wasn't because a poster said it was fake link - as I have just proved its very much real.

The link does not back up the claims you are making...

Often with these posts a study has been conducted, but the conclusions drawn are incredibly far from what was actually reported.

See the pfizer NLP animal model study and how anti-vaccine groups are reporting it.

I will post it again

Here are some questions that were asked in European Parliament by Francesca Donato on the 27th Of October 2021 in regards to the covid vaccine deaths and in particular the case of Camilla Canepa

www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-9-2021-004862_EN.html#def2

I really see it going the way of the flu vaccine to be honest. The virus will get more transmissible but the illness less severe. And you get a shot annually (or possibly every six months) to keep up to date.

At some point it’ll be free on the NHS for people over a certain age or in certain health categories, and everyone else will have to pay if they want it.

I happily get a flu shot every year so I don’t see this being any different tbh.