Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three.

That’s faulty logic.

You’re absolutely free to choose not to have another vaccine but it’s nonsensical to say that boosters have no effect on the likelihood of becoming seriously ill or dying. There’s a plenty of data.

I am also aware of a young women in Salford who has had multiple seizures a day since her first vaccine but can not get recognition for it. Its being well documented an I bet there are more with similar stories

It is theorised omicron (and delta) emerged in immunosuppressed patients

I've just read - and to my shame I hadn't realised this - that South Africa has the worst epidemic of AIDS on the planet, which makes me wonder if this has anything to do with variants originating there?

@LittleoldTERFy

I am also aware of a young women in Salford who has had multiple seizures a day since her first vaccine but can not get recognition for it. Its being well documented an I bet there are more with similar stories

It's likely that if HCPs don't think seizures were caused by the vaccine, they probably weren't. Nevertheless she should report to the Yellow Card scheme as it's important to track whether things like seizures are emerging at higher rates in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated people.

There isn't a widepsread conspiracy to cover up vaccine related side effects - it's how we know about CVSTs and myo/pericarditis

@PurpleDaisies

if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three.

That’s faulty logic.

You’re absolutely free to choose not to have another vaccine but it’s nonsensical to say that boosters have no effect on the likelihood of becoming seriously ill or dying. There’s a plenty of data.

No its just common sense. There may be plenty of data that say boosters help - well of course they will as clearly the vaccine only offers short term protection

Austria is going on to booster shots every seven months.

I am not signing up for 7 monthly vaccines thanks..- especially now that there are cases emerging that it is causing severe side effects/death.

But - the evidence shows that the vaccines are effective and safe.

if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three

No its just common sense. There may be plenty of data that say boosters help - well of course they will as clearly the vaccine only offers short term protection

Austria is going on to booster shots every seven months

I am not signing up for 7 monthly vaccines thanks..- especially now that there are cases emerging that it is causing severe side effects/death

You’ve stated a booster vaccine won’t save your life, while then acknowledging vaccination offers short term protection…. To deny yourself that short-term, potentially life-saving-protection is up to you (as Covid is more likely to kill you than the vaccine will), but to claim it’s common sense is crazy.

Good luck, and stay safe x

@LittleoldTERFy

well we have at least one official covid vaccine death. We have had thread up on thread of 'even one covid death is too many'.

But covid vaccine death/side effects are ok it seems.

like I said up thread, I have had two vaccines - but I won't be having the third. if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three.

Two vaccines didn't save you? What happened? Were you hospitalised? :o

Oh sorry, that :o was meant to be a

@ollyollyoxenfree The seizures started with in days. She had never suffered one previously.

They are debilitating and she can not work, drive, be left alone. She was in my dds year at school.

And yes, she absolutely has reported it to every one that it needs reporting to. She and he family have been quite vocal about it. just because there is no evidence - yet - doesn't mean there is no correlation. In fact there have been many reports of seizures to the yellow card scheme.

Also dont chuck the word 'conspiracy' in to try and diminish my opinion and shut down what I am saying, its really lazy. If you dont like what I have said just scroll on past. I certainly never said anything about a conspiracy or cover up - you said that.

I was over the moon when the vaccine was rolled out, I have had both but people are right to start being bit wary as it doesn't seem like it was the 'get out of jail free' card it was meant to be.

And remember it took over ten years for the UK government to recognise and compensate out - that the swine flu caused severe narcolepsy in children and some adults.

I'm beginning to question it tbh, we were initially told 1 dose, then 2 which should be x amount apart, then they increased the gap and reassured us that was best... Now they say a 3rd, with a 6 month gap, but now they are reducing it to a 3 month gap and then a 4th dose.
With kids they said just 1 dose for x age.. Then lowered the age, now it's 2 doses... Thwy also said kids and the risk was low so no need.. But now we are being told to vaccinate the over 5s... It sounds like they are gambling and I'm not happy to be gambled with anymore tbh

@ravenmum. I am not sure what you mean? Where have I said the vaccines didn't save me?

I have not had covid - despite working through the entire pandemic with vulnerable people.

if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three
OK, then I misunderstood this. What does it mean, then?

At a slight tangent, I don't get the process behind having two or three shots and then at some point just stopping. At first you're concerned, motivated and socially minded enough to want the vaccine - then at some point, do you stop caring? Or just get a bit lazy? Or has something else happened in between?

The three month gap is in younger people as well, the ones that need the vaccine least, I think if I was only in my 20s I wouldn't want just a three month gap, ok if you are in the very vulnerable groups, it all seems arse about face.

@LittleoldTERFy

I'm simply pointing out that, given that we know there are certain side effects caused by vaccines, and that this is an area actively being monitored, it is unlikely her neurologist and HCPs are unfairly saying they do not think the coronavirus vaccine triggered her seizures.

Yes - I'm sure there are many reports of seizures on the yellow card scheme. It's relatively common in the population.

Do people who’ve had covid need vaccines and boosters? I can appreciate they’re helpful to risk severe illness, but once you’ve had covid safely then wouldn’t you have long lasting immunity?
I wish there was more research into this.

And.. My relative started with seizures 1 to 2 weeks after his 3rd jab, having never suffered before... So it does increase my worry

@IHateFlies the research suggests your immunity drops steadily and really starts to wane after six months (after infection or vaccine)

@IHateFlies

Do people who’ve had covid need vaccines and boosters? I can appreciate they’re helpful to risk severe illness, but once you’ve had covid safely then wouldn’t you have long lasting immunity? I wish there was more research into this.

There is good quality evidence that people who have previously had coronavirus should be vaccinated as is it reduces the risk of reinfection and illness.

There is far less (presumably due to a lack of data) on how much extra protection a booster vaccination would give and whether it is necessary and on what time scale. Am keeping my eye out.

I don’t think that’s true. I know a family who were part of a research trial and they all had antibodies for year after they’d had covid.
The trial was stopped after they got vaccines, which they only did for travel but they didn’t need to, in theory.

So many insane comments on this thread. If you don’t want a booster and want to take your chances with Covid killing you, feel free.
Vaccine protection wanes over time.. that’s just a scientific fact. We will need booster vaccines just like we need boosters for other vaccines

@IHateFlies it is true, look up the scientific papers, there are many of them. Yes you can still have antibodies for a long time (and hopefully good T cell immunity) but that might not stop you catching a Covid once your vaccine immunity wanes. It will hopefully stop you ending up in hospital but the only true way of doing all you can to keep out of hospital is to have a booster

now that there are cases emerging that it is causing severe side effects/death

But what you seem to be ignoring here is that having covid carries a far higher risk of debilitating side effects than the vaccines do.

It's really sad about that girl you know and while there is a small risk that it has to do with the vaccine, it seems unlikely. If they don't recognise it as a side effect, it's because there's simply no data to support it. After just shy of 8 billion vaccines administered globally, they would more likely than not have seen it in enough people that they would recognise it as a possible side effect of having the vaccine.

No. Had two jabs and had a horrendous dose of Covid recently so for those saying it prevents you from getting really ill, it doesn’t! Had a really bad reaction to the first jab, not putting myself through it again. People are clearly forgetting it doesn’t stop you from getting it, doesn’t stop you from spreading it, and doesn’t stop you from being really ill from it. It may stop you from dying but the likelihood of that if you’re healthy is minuscule. And a 30 year old woman, daughter of someone I know, with no underlying health conditions had a sudden heart attack and died last week and the Drs have advised likely caused by the vaccine. So you take your chances either way and let people make their own choices

@ravenmum

if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three OK, then I misunderstood this. What does it mean, then?

At a slight tangent, I don't get the process behind having two or three shots and then at some point just stopping. At first you're concerned, motivated and socially minded enough to want the vaccine - then at some point, do you stop caring? Or just get a bit lazy? Or has something else happened in between?

I only had the vaccine because I come in to direct contact with vulnerable people. Its a service that is chosen rather than a direct need. I also wear PPE. If I didn't I wouldn't have had it.

However, its becoming increasingly clear that actually the vaccines dont offer long term protection ( at least a year) and they may be ineffective with new variants.

So as some one that was already reluctant - but did it for the benefit of others - where do I draw the line in my own body autonomy? Shall I keep having boosters every six months to protect people - who freely admit they havn't had the vaccine.( they are in a position of genuine concern)

Maybe you should try and open your mind a bit more trather than being disparaging to understand where other people are coming from rather than having one ridged view and being PA. I find it hard to understand why you can't understand that some people are getting a bit dubious at the thought of a possible 6 monthly booster vaccine.

A lot of people are not comfortable with that - no matter how bizarre you may think that may be - and no its not down to laziness. Are you always this aggressive or is it just when you are on line?