Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

Yes like I have a flu jab every year and take my vitamins and regular exercise. All part of self care for me

You will have to take them forever now but then if you chose to accept the vaccine in the first place, why are you concerned now? Did you think that this would be the end of it?

@TheElvishQueen

So anyone who expresses any doubt about the vaccines is automatically an 'anti vaxxer troll'? So much for free speech then. I didn't realise we were living in a dictatorship.

Not at all, express what you like but other people’s right to express what they want to also exists. Nobody has the absolute right to spread myths and rumour as fact without evidence if it causes measurable harm. That’s where the line is if you’re wondering.

It would be great not to be such a baby about other people practicing the same thing you do just because they don’t do it in a way you like. Have a little more conviction in your own stance 🤷‍♀️

@starlight13

You will have to take them forever now but then if you chose to accept the vaccine in the first place, why are you concerned now? Did you think that this would be the end of it?

Not necessarily. A dominant 'mild' form may evolve - its happened in other cases. A less mutation-specific vaccine may be developed. Or other treatments.

But if it settles down into a similar situation to flu, so be it. Vastly preferable to waves of different mutants and no vaccines.

@TheElvishQueen

So anyone who expresses any doubt about the vaccines is automatically an 'anti vaxxer troll'? So much for free speech then. I didn't realise we were living in a dictatorship.

You seemed not to have the basic knowledge that plenty of people are hospitalised by flu, regardless of age.

And you’re now querying why certain people/posts have been removed from threads for what were very outlandish comments/claims.

Very odd.

Vastly preferable to waves of different mutants and no vaccines.

I’m not aware that vaccines allows for less mutation though.
And our government policies means we’ve had very high number if cases, despite the vaccination. Therefore still a high risk of mutation?

@PerfectlyUnsuitable

Vastly preferable to waves of different mutants and no vaccines.

I’m not aware that vaccines allows for less mutation though.
And our government policies means we’ve had very high number if cases, despite the vaccination. Therefore still a high risk of mutation?

Vaccines allow for fewer mutation whether you're aware of it or not.

@PerfectlyUnsuitable

Vastly preferable to waves of different mutants and no vaccines.

I’m not aware that vaccines allows for less mutation though.
And our government policies means we’ve had very high number if cases, despite the vaccination. Therefore still a high risk of mutation?

I didn't imply vaccines prevented mutants occurring.

Just that I'd rather have some defence against them than none.

@PerfectlyUnsuitable

Vastly preferable to waves of different mutants and no vaccines.

I’m not aware that vaccines allows for less mutation though.
And our government policies means we’ve had very high number if cases, despite the vaccination. Therefore still a high risk of mutation?

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.01.21259833v1

To get you started.

I’ve got nothing to be concerned about regarding the vaccines, all developed by competent scientists and fully tested. They’re harmless to my health since I am not allergic (I know this because I’ve had 3!). What I AM terrified of is death, long Covid or having to say goodbye to my wife or mum via an iPad while they’re dying of Covid. I’m also concerned about new variants that could arise if large populations remain unvaccinated and the risk we may have to go into more lockdowns, ruining people’s livelihoods and cutting us off from our families.

@ZZTopGuitarSolo
Me to being aware doesn’t mean that I think it doesn’t happen.
No need for sarcasm really.

It also doesn’t change the fact that allowing cases to run high also increase chances of mutation, vaccines or not

[quote PerfectlyUnsuitable]@ZZTopGuitarSolo
Me to being aware doesn’t mean that I think it doesn’t happen.
No need for sarcasm really.

It also doesn’t change the fact that allowing cases to run high also increase chances of mutation, vaccines or not[/quote]
It does indeed. The ideal approach is vaccines plus mitigations to reduce cases. Pandemic 101.

What? Yes, absolutely. Whatever it takes.

If they want to inject me weekly, I'll be right there with my sleeve rolled up.

@ZZTopGuitarSolo it’s an interesting article about the reduction of variants with vaccination
It’s a shame it has been done on such a low number and with so many different variants. You end up with numbers that don’t have any meaning/gives us much info

[quote PerfectlyUnsuitable]@ZZTopGuitarSolo it’s an interesting article about the reduction of variants with vaccination
It’s a shame it has been done on such a low number and with so many different variants. You end up with numbers that don’t have any meaning/gives us much info[/quote]
Interesting you should say that - I was just reading an interpretation by a statistician who drew different conclusions.

What? Yes, absolutely, whatever it takes
This.

Horrendous side effects from both shots so far so that’s a no from me

@Benjispruce5

DH’s friend lost his wife to Covid last year. She was 55, not obese, no health conditions. I’m not taking a chance when a very safe vaccine exists.

100% this.

@ZZTopGuitarSolo, I am reall;y interested ion what the statistician you know said.
There was only 47 people involved in this study, about half and half between those who vaccinated and those who weren't. That's not a lot to draw conclusions is all I am saying.

Interestingly, the commenst at the bottom of the article make a similar point. There are a few other issues such as no statistical test which I am sure your statistician picked up on.

How does anyone logic this out with ‘I’ve had my jabs and I still got covid so no more for me….’? Surely then you’re aware of how much worse that case of covid might have been had you not been vaccinated? And that vaccination is no guarantee of not getting covid, but offers serious protection against severe illness and the chances of long covid???

Frankly, if I die of covid, having had every booster and vaccination, and abided by every rule under the sun, at least my kids will know I did everything I could to not only protect myself, but others.

But If I died of covid having done bugger all, or having decided after a while that I knew better than scientifically-recommended boosters or that ‘surely I must be immune by now?’, then after I’m gone, my kids get to ask ‘why was she so bloody stupid?’ And that’s not the Mum I want them to remember.

Yes there are side effects, yes they can be unpleasant, but yes, it’s worth it. Emphatically so. So why the f* would you roll that dice?

Yes there are side effects, yes they can be unpleasant, but yes, it’s worth it. Emphatically so. So why the f would you roll that dice?* my life is a living hell at the moment.

[quote PerfectlyUnsuitable]@ZZTopGuitarSolo, I am reall;y interested ion what the statistician you know said.
There was only 47 people involved in this study, about half and half between those who vaccinated and those who weren't. That's not a lot to draw conclusions is all I am saying.

Interestingly, the commenst at the bottom of the article make a similar point. There are a few other issues such as no statistical test which I am sure your statistician picked up on.[/quote]
Haven't read the article, but whatever it was, vaccines reduce the mutation rate.

A virus can only mutate whilst it is replicating as that is while RNA is copied. This is when mistakes can be made.

The quicker a human host clears the virus, the less chances each viral particle has had to replicate. Vaccination, even whilst not 100% effective, improves the speed and clearance of viral particles.

It is theorised omicron (and delta) emerged in immunosuppressed patients - these people would have been infected for a long time, thus giving ample time for coronavirus to acquire mutations and continue to evolve.

A virus can only mutate whilst it is replicating as that is when RNA is copied.

well we have at least one official covid vaccine death. We have had thread up on thread of 'even one covid death is too many'.

But covid vaccine death/side effects are ok it seems.

like I said up thread, I have had two vaccines - but I won't be having the third. if two vaccines won't save me - neither will three.