Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

@ErrolTheDragon

If I am offered a booster I would rather they send it to vaccinate someone in the third world.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works though, is it.

That's like when DM used to say "there are starving children in Africa who be glad of that" and DBro went to fetch an envelope

@Viviennemary "I had the booster and had a horrific headache and was extremely tired and very very sore arm. The way I feel at the moment is no more vaccines for me."

Poor you, that sounds absolutely hellish. Better than dying though eh.

Yes because we all know dying is the only alternative to the vaccine. Are always so dramatic?

@Toty - no dying is not the only alternative to the vaccine. There is also the fact that you might be hospitalised. You might need oxygen. If you are hospitalised you are depriving someone else of that bed. Someone perhaps waiting for life saving treatment.

Long Covid doesn't sound fun either.

My pharmacist (as in where I work) said it shouldn’t be done within 7 days too

That's interesting and fits in with some of the replies I've had elsewhere, suggesting that there's a difference in opinion among HCPs. While always remembering the importance and value of vaccines, I guess we'd better just hope the "have them together" folk have got it right

And since PPs have brought Thalidomide into this to buttress the "it could never happen again" thing, it's worth remembering that like most drugs, it was never trialled on pregnant women. But then neither were the Covid jabs, leading me to wonder on what evidence they've been declared safe for the pregnant

As said, it's perfectly possible to acknowledge the massive benefit of vaccines while still asking questions - even if it involves hypothetical ones, which have been objected to here but without which the Covid threads would hardly exist

My stroke was recent - as a direct result as the jab. This has now been proven. You’re very welcome to see my notes

According to this article, 77 people have died of a blood clot, they think was related to the vaccine out of 46.3 million people fully vaccinated:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine

Read the section in this article about risk calculations - that the Covid vaccination is like wearing a seatbelt. Most car journeys we undertake, a seatbelt is of no use. However, if something happens, the seatbelt makes a difference to the outcome for us.

@Toty
In fairness the poster complaining about a headache being worthy of "adverse reaction" labelling is the dramatic one.

Interesting about the stroke. Hopefully there will be further news/articles published about that as pp says it's been officially recorded.

, it was never trialled on pregnant women. But then neither were the Covid jabs, leading me to wonder on what evidence they've been declared safe for the pregnant

By now, I would think there are quite large numbers who were vaccinated while unaware of being pregnant. I think that's the main ethical way that data on the safety of medicines during pregnancy is acquired. Obviously it takes longer than direct testing.

@ErrolTheDragon

, it was never trialled on pregnant women. But then neither were the Covid jabs, leading me to wonder on what evidence they've been declared safe for the pregnant

By now, I would think there are quite large numbers who were vaccinated while unaware of being pregnant. I think that's the main ethical way that data on the safety of medicines during pregnancy is acquired. Obviously it takes longer than direct testing.

And the fact that now 160,000 women in the US, 82,000 in the UK etc have been vaccinated whilst pregnant

www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/coronavirus-covid-19-pregnancy-and-womens-health/covid-19-vaccines-and-pregnancy/covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding/

*@Toty - no dying is not the only alternative to the vaccine. There is also the fact that you might be hospitalised. You might need oxygen. If you are hospitalised you are depriving someone else of that bed.*Someone perhaps waiting for life saving treatment.

Long Covid doesn't sound fun either.

Or you may just have very mild cold symptoms as the overwhelming majority of people do.

By now, I would think there are quite large numbers who were vaccinated while unaware of being pregnant. I think that's the main ethical way that data on the safety of medicines during pregnancy is acquired

That makes perfect sense, Errol, though it also adds to the proof that we are the experiment

I'm also thinking back to the first pregnant women who were jabbed, with at least the ones I know being assured it would be safe. Whether or not that turns out to be the case, I'd still like to know on what evidence they were told this

Clinical trials are quite sophisticated these days, computer modelling, grown tissue samples, knowledge of genetics etc as well as traditional animal testing (which is still used commonly).
Using thalidomide as an example is reasonably irrelevant. Quite a lot of progress has been made in the last 60 years…

We're also the 'experiment' on what happens to people who've not been vaccinated though. And the results aren't good.

I think that's the main ethical way that data on the safety of medicines during pregnancy is acquired

But obviously that would've specifically failed to find thalidomide - not to remotely suggest that vaccine is remotely likely to cause similar problems, this is purely to show how safety during pregnancy can't be found by "vaccinated when not known they were pregnant".

Thalidomide was only harmful to the foetus in a specific week or so of pregnancy, "not knowing they're pregnant" would be hugely biased to only individuals in a few specific weeks, rather than any time period.

There is certainly no evidence of extra harm from the vaccine in pregnant, but your proposed study on only those who don't know they're pregnant would not answer the safety question.

I'm also thinking back to the first pregnant women who were jabbed, with at least the ones I know being assured it would be safe. Whether or not that turns out to be the case, I'd still like to know on what evidence they were told this

They weren't told this.

It would've been explained the the benefits would outweight potential risks - which is why in the UK it was offered to high risk women or those in high risk jobs. Many of my clinical colleguaes were the first to take it up as they were risking high levels of exposure daily.

This would be based on the mechanism of action, knowledge of existing vaccines and pre-clinical studies, balanced against the known risks of infection.

I’ll take them although at the moment I’m lying in bed ill from vaccine side effects!

The only reason I thought about not accepting it was because I think we should be vaccine sharing more. But I reasoned that my not having one wouldn’t change anything.

Many third world nations have no shortage of doses, but low uptake is a problem.

Our friend @AuroraSophia has left the site and @flowerbomb21 has had their account closed by MN - hope other anti-vaxxer trolls get the same treatment.

So anyone who expresses any doubt about the vaccines is automatically an 'anti vaxxer troll'? So much for free speech then. I didn't realise we were living in a dictatorship.

Well there’s expressing doubt and then there’s posting untruths TBF.

So anyone who spreads dangerous misinformation about the vaccines is automatically an 'anti vaxxer troll'

Here, I fixed that for you.

One of the posters mentioned above falsely claimed to have a PHD in Psychoneuroimmunology and said people would die through being sheep and getting vaccinated. The other claimed people were being killed in droves by the vaccine.

They got no more than what they deserved.

@TheElvishQueen

So anyone who expresses any doubt about the vaccines is automatically an 'anti vaxxer troll'? So much for free speech then. I didn't realise we were living in a dictatorship.

Nope, express as much doubt as you want. Ask questions. Share your opinions.

But totally reasonable for a parenting forum to remove outright misinformation/disinformation. We are in a pandemic, this costs lives. No-one can make an informed choice if they're being barraged with false claims from anti-vaccines groups.

It makes me cross thinking of the number of people who will have been coerced into turning down the vaccine, or terrified because they already have done, because of misinformation on MN.

Nope. Haven’t had my others either though

Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine?

Yes I really am, 100%