I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

OP if you truly have health anxiety, why aren't you anxious about actual Covid? That doesn't make sense to me at all for someone who has health anxiety.

I haven’t read all of the thread OP, mainly because I can’t face reading any “well it’s no different to the Hep B jab requirement” posts of which I’m sure you have had many

I completely agree with you OP - it’s disgusting that people are being put in your position.

I suffer anxiety, mainly around health, but only on a low level and that’s bad enough! I’m doubly vaccinated and felt terrified after both jabs that something was going to happen to me, it was awful.

I really empathise OP and I think it’s so unfair.

I don't understand why the OP started this thread. It's not a matter of opinion - they will lose their job if they remain unvaccinated. Mumsnet seems to be polarised so there is obviously not going to be a 'poor them' consensus.

And I do question the wisdom of someone with severe health anxiety posting about their severe health anxiety. Isn't it just going to feed the anxiety? Seems a tad self-indulgent to me.

@Covidwoes

OP if you truly have health anxiety, why aren't you anxious about actual Covid? That doesn't make sense to me at all for someone who has health anxiety.

The other thing is that I'm surprised the OP says she has had counselling. Because if she has, she will know that anxiety is exacerbated by not facing up to her fears.

So by avoiding having the jab she will be feeding into her health anxiety going forward.

@DontWantTheRivalry

I haven’t read all of the thread OP, mainly because I can’t face reading any “well it’s no different to the Hep B jab requirement” posts of which I’m sure you have had many

I completely agree with you OP - it’s disgusting that people are being put in your position.

I suffer anxiety, mainly around health, but only on a low level and that’s bad enough! I’m doubly vaccinated and felt terrified after both jabs that something was going to happen to me, it was awful.

I really empathise OP and I think it’s so unfair.

Really? OP is working for the NHS.

The National Health Service

I honestly cannot see why people have such a problem with NHS staff, who are in contact with vulnerable individuals on a daily basis, being vaccinated against a virus that is rife and killing thousands of people.

If OP doesn't want the vaccine, they can choose not to work for the National Health Service and can find a career where they are not such a risk to vulnerable people.

Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

Because of the nature of Covid, a very high level of vaccination is necessary to control the virus.

Once you take out people who can't have the vaccination because of health or age, pretty much everyone else needs to be vaccinated.

@CovoidOfAllHumanity

I have had my vaccines and was pleased to do so Pre vaccine availability I also had Covid which I caught at work in the NHS Lots of my patients and 1 colleague died and others were seriously ill. One of my biggest fears pre vaccine was that I would give it to someone and kill them. That was a much bigger fear than having it myself.

However now that patients are pretty much all vaccinated, 93% of healthcare staff are vaccinated and we are still wearing PPE and doing LFTs I cannot see why staff who have principled objections to the vaccine should be forced. We are not in the same scenario now as when lots of deaths were occurring. The risk is much lower now and yet now, after we all risked our health working through this thing, now they force vaccination when it is no longer so necessary.

This will backfire
There is a huge staffing crisis already due to post COVID burnout and Brexit so the last thing we need is to lose more staff
Trained and highly skilled staff will not be easy to replace and that will cause a far bigger risk than Covid now poses.

I think this policy is more about political posturing than safety and I am happy to work alongside colleagues who aren't vaccinated because it doesn't affect me. The risks of them catching it and passing it on now are negligibly different to those of vaccinated colleagues especially as they are more likely to be diligent with PPE and testing.

Having made my points below and aired my views I think this poster also makes some good ones and will think about it further.

I am very concerned about the situation in education.

I am not able to work myself due to other health issues, but my ability to take up opportunities as a single parent has been restricted when the schools shut down and I feel as if our household needs to be prepared for DD's college to go back to remote learning 100 per cent this winter as staffing situation not sustainable in my view.

@DingleyDel

No one is being forced to have it, they have a choice.

Ok. It’s probably more a case of coercion. Pretty extreme coercion and it makes me very uncomfortable.

Still a choice the OP can make.

Please have the vaccine. None of us especially like having them but I'm afraid you are being selfish - to your family, your colleagues and your patients. This is about being party of a society.

OP if you truly have health anxiety, why aren't you anxious about actual Covid? That doesn't make sense to me at all for someone who has health anxiety.

This

Anyway, your choice not to get the vaccine, the nhs' choice to terminate your contract. Other jobs are available.

It’s wrong to coerce people into taking ANY vaccine/drug, let alone an experimental vaccine/drug.

Also think it's terrible that we are able to treat patients who haven't had the vaccine. But they aren't allowed to be treated by someone without a vaccine. completely unfair.

You also need to look at all the other Covid related issues the NHS is still facing - staff shortages, procedures being cancelled because of positive covid tests, visitors still heavily restricted.

Covid tests prevent transmission to an extent if people actually isolate, but that in itself causes problems in an organisation where people need to be present to work. Vaccination is also necessary.

@peoniesarejustperfect
Being part of this society used to mean having freedom of choice what you put in your body.

@DayKay

Yanbu I don’t understand this either and especially why it’s being pushed on young healthy people. Good if they have it, but disgraceful to put people out of work if they don’t. I’m not a conspiracy theorist either but things that they’ve been talking about right from the beginning are becoming reality. Not the microchip nonsense but things like covid passes and practically forcing everyone into the vaccine. We thought it would never happen.

The thing is, the vaccine isn’t to protect the Op as a young, healthy person (although she may get long covid, which is no joke), it’s to prevent her from spreading it to her patients.

Op - requiring vaccination to do certain jobs is nothing new as others have said upthread. Other vaccines are mandatory for healthcare workers; and - for children - some nurseries won’t accept kids who are unvaccinated with the MMR (unless exempt). I know you got the job being aware of that, but things do change over time, the world didn’t become static when you started your training. New methods in dentistry will come along, as has a global pandemic.

We can’t afford another lockdown. That’s why this is happening. Nothing “odd” about it.

Why are you so frightened of the covid vaccine? Because of the forced choice? Or because something about it frightens you?

[quote Cam77]@peoniesarejustperfect
Being part of this society used to mean having freedom of choice what you put in your body.[/quote]
And that freedom has not been removed.

[quote Cam77]@peoniesarejustperfect
Being part of this society used to mean having freedom of choice what you put in your body.[/quote]
She DOES have a choice though. She can choose absolutely not to have the covid vaccine. But if she does choose not to, she can’t keep working in healthcare, interacting with many, many members of the public every day, presumably putting her (gloved) fingers in their mouths!

DontWantTheRivalry. I haven’t read all of the thread OP, mainly because I can’t face reading any “well it’s no different to the Hep B jab requirement” posts of which I’m sure you have had many smile. I completely agree with you OP - it’s disgusting that people are being put in your position. I suffer anxiety, mainly around health, but only on a low level and that’s bad enough! I’m doubly vaccinated and felt terrified after both jabs that something was going to happen to me, it was awful. I really empathise OP and I think it’s so unfair.

Really? OP is working for the NHS.

Yes really. I also work for the NHS and I still stand by everything I said.

Sorry op
Just woke up , first thing that hits me is that my wonderful Dad is gone from covid. Got it in a health care setting when the jab was only just being rolled out.
Would give anything to just have another day with him.
This is about the wider population, not just about you. The people nursing Dad had PPE still got it . He was robbed of many years happy and active life.
Your rights in my option don’t trump that . Sometimes you have to be a grown up

I agree with the other poster about your health anxiety. I have health anxiety, the thought of becoming unwell fills me with dread but I am vaccinated, I have also had covid after vaccination and had no symptoms, without the vaccine I may have been very unwell and been unable to care for my disabled daughter. I work in care, my daughter also has care (though not at the moment as there are no carers). I was anxious about the vaccine, worried about side effects and long term effects but I’m now glad I have had it. I’m getting my booster this week, am anxious but I know it will be fine.

I respect people’s concerns and views, I don’t agree with anyone being forced to have a vaccine but as a parent of a vulnerable child I would worry about a unvaccinated person caring for her.

I honestly cannot see why people have such a problem with NHS staff, who are in contact with vulnerable individuals on a daily basis, being vaccinated against a virus that is rife and killing thousands of people. If OP doesn't want the vaccine, they can choose not to work for the National Health Service and can find a career where they are not such a risk to vulnerable people.

Precisely that.

It's not just about you OP.

Your choice impacts everyone else.

I'm in ROI and we've just had new restrictions imposed because of hospital capacity. Almost 2/3rds of icu covid admissions are among the unvaccinated. We wouldn't be having new restrictions right now if all the people like you got the shot.

I work in a role (NHS) where the vaccine is mandatory and I don’t have a problem with it. Neither do the vast majority of my colleagues. We are public servants and funded by the tax payer therefore public health and public protection comes with the territory. I know my patients expect it of me and understandably so.

I agree that having a vaccine made mandatory can feel uncomfortable but we have never been in a global pandemic before which has called for such measures. Unprecedented times.

OP if you don’t want the vaccination then it’s time to look for a role where it’s not a requirement.

I really hope you find something that helps with your health anxiety OP. It must be really hard to live with.

You can really tell the posters who have fallen down a facebook/youtube rabbit hole on this thread .

It's a vaccine, like many more before it and many more to come. It protects you and society in general from short and long term health conditions.

No conspiracy, no "Human Rights' abuse, just plain old common sense for the benefit of everyone.