Unvaccinated I'm really starting to have an issue with

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I don't care if you don't get the vaccine. I'd rather people I love and care about did as I genuinely believe it protects people - but if you don't I think it's everyone's right to refuse it if they choose.

What I'm really, really struggling with is unvaccinated not understanding there's a consequence to it.

So, at my place of work unvaccinated will go with reduced payment and people are complaining about it. It's driving me nuts - how do unvaccinated expect to isolate due to being in contact with someone who tests positive and not have a consequence? Why should a workplace shoulder the cost of an unvaccinated persons poor decision making?

How do unvaccinated think Covid will ever end if no one gets the vaccine?

What if none of us got the vaccine, what do unvaccinated think would happen, or do you not care?

AIBU to think fair enough if you refuse the vaccine, but you should accept there is a consequence to your choice so that we all get a decent healthcare system? (Hopefully)

@Amirite

I take it you’re in the US. If you support this notion of taking salary away from your colleagues based on their health and medical information you’re doing what all Americans do in my experience which is applying the I’m Alright Jack attitude. Go nuts. They’ll come for you soon too, I can’t believe what some of us have become.

They're in the UK What makes you think its the US If they have to isolate due to not having the vaccines then they get SSP rather than full pay

Totally over this shit.

"The Unvaccinated"..... What the hell OP. Get over yourself and stop being so sanctimonious fgs.

DHs work is similar. SSP only if you isolate without vaccine and also if you get sick with covid.
There’s been 2 members of staff who have been very poorly for months and only on SSP.

@DottyHarmer

The problem is, that vaccines can be a victim of their own success. Eg polio. Virtually eradicated because of vaccination. But then along come people (twerps) who think, "Oh, there's no polio, therefore I don't need to vaccinate my children against it." And then if enough people are of this mindset, up polio bubbles again.

The covid vaccines may not be 100%, but just looking at basic stats is enough to convince that they have a remarkable effect on serious illness. But that of course encourages the anti-vaxxers (or vaccine hesitant) to believe it's the virus itself which is now less serious.

If we were still back in early 2020 and looking at the scenes in Wuhan and Northern Italy, I think far more people would be falling over themselves to get a vaccine.

Exactly this

SSP for those who decide not to vaccinate (ie their own choice) is fair enough. When those who haven’t had the vaccine have to isolate with symptoms, it has a massive impact on all their colleagues who have to step in and deal with the additional workload. These decisions have consequences for everyone unfortunately.

@Wideawakeandconfused

SSP for those who decide not to vaccinate (ie their own choice) is fair enough. When those who haven’t had the vaccine have to isolate with symptoms, it has a massive impact on all their colleagues who have to step in and deal with the additional workload. These decisions have consequences for everyone unfortunately.

Vaccinated people with symptoms also have to isolate. If someone being off sick/isolating is putting extra strain on you at work, then that is something to bring up with management. It is not the fault of the person that is off work.

Unvaccinated people have to take time off if they come into contact with a positive case. It's an absolute pita as far as work goes and puts lots of extra strain on those picking up their slack.

I'm gully vaccinated and will get my booster if they let over 30s get it. I fully understand people's rights to refuse for whatever reason.

What I struggle with now is say people that had their vaccine in March or April... after waining immunity may barely be better protected than someone who hasn't had the vaccine atall... is it right that we punish people for not being vaccinated 8 months ago?

"unvaccinated seem to be the most vocal of all"

... true as long as you ignore the righteously-vaccinated like OP starting threads like this one.

is this kind of thread all part of the Russian plan to divide & undermine the liberal democracies? Or do you just like participating in that nefarious strategy.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

Pregnant women are encouraged to get vaccinated. It's another thing you can give to your unborn baby, the antibody to protect them when they are born too. There are many many pregnant women who had vaccines. There are many pregnant unvaccinated women who had covid and had worst outcomes. It's no brainer.

The antibodies from the vaccine don't cross to the baby. According to my midwife.

@Saladcreamormayo

you mean the vaccine that doesn't actually work. On ITV london news yesterday they were reporting from a hospital covid ward where three quarters of the covid patients were all doubley vaccinated and many had their boosters. Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread covid as an unvaccinated person. I honestly cannot understand this discrimination against unvaxxed people. I've never had a flue jab in my life and I've never once been told I cannot go certain places or need a flue jab passport to lead a normal life. All this is just getting ridiculous.

Oh wow.

Think about it.

You would want the proportion of people in hospital who have had the jabs to go up.

Think about it! 🙄

Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread covid as an unvaccinated person.

This is a false claim. It is not true. Vaccinated people are 67% less likely to spread Covid.

@Saladcreamormayo

you mean the vaccine that doesn't actually work. On ITV london news yesterday they were reporting from a hospital covid ward where three quarters of the covid patients were all doubley vaccinated and many had their boosters. Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread covid as an unvaccinated person. I honestly cannot understand this discrimination against unvaxxed people. I've never had a flue jab in my life and I've never once been told I cannot go certain places or need a flue jab passport to lead a normal life. All this is just getting ridiculous.

The threads in last few days have just been ridiculous and full of silly posts like this.

Unfortunately the unvaccinated are too thick to understand the impact of their selfish decision making. That’s not a snap judgement, it’s a fact. They aren’t making data-driven decisions based on science, they’re not thinking of anyone else but themselves and they’re not even protecting their own health - deliberately. There’s no point arguing with stupid. I’m very glad it will be mandated so it affects their income, it’s the only way the idiots might listen.

You can’t even spell FLU and you just made all of that up. Or more likely parroted some false info you read on Facebook.

Because it's a 'vacinne' for a virus which mutates and is therefore pointless for all except the very vulnerable. It's the same reason I won't have the flu vacinne ( although me and my children have had all the other vacinnes).

What do you think causes the other diseases you are vaccinated for? All viruses mutate, some faster than others and faster if they are allowed to spread uncontrollably through an unvaccinated population. What ‘research’ did you do for those vaccines you have had? And why aren’t they ‘vaccines’?

The antibodies from the vaccine don't cross to the baby. According to my midwife

Interesting. I thought this was the case with vaccine antibodies generally - I wonder if this is actually an urban myth. But I remember thinking that my son would be better protected with my antibodies when he was born because I had actually had measles, mumps, rubella etc and wasn't vaccinated against them. But then I wondered if that was actually the case and if it matters - the placenta doesn't know where you got your antibodies from.

@Lokdok

Unfortunately the unvaccinated are too thick to understand the impact of their selfish decision making. That’s not a snap judgement, it’s a fact. They aren’t making data-driven decisions based on science, they’re not thinking of anyone else but themselves and they’re not even protecting their own health - deliberately. There’s no point arguing with stupid. I’m very glad it will be mandated so it affects their income, it’s the only way the idiots might listen.

What a horrible horrible way to think! Who do you actually think you are? You've no right to be so superior and insulting to your fellow human beings. What is actually wrong with you? I'm double vaxed but to be honest I'd rather have Covid than be cursed with a mind like yours. You sound an absolute joy to be around. Not

@ColinTheKoala

The antibodies from the vaccine don't cross to the baby. According to my midwife

Interesting. I thought this was the case with vaccine antibodies generally - I wonder if this is actually an urban myth. But I remember thinking that my son would be better protected with my antibodies when he was born because I had actually had measles, mumps, rubella etc and wasn't vaccinated against them. But then I wondered if that was actually the case and if it matters - the placenta doesn't know where you got your antibodies from.

Antibodies are most certainly passed from mum to baby in the last trimester, be that from vaccination or infection.

Couple of papers have demonstrated this for the coronavirus vaccine specifically.

Where I live no one isolated unless they have a PCR test and waiting results.
Or they have Covid (or looking after a child with Covid - but still allowed out of another adult looks after the child)

Everyone else is out at work or school. No requirement to social distance or wear masks.

Nowhere is shut or require vaccine passports or negative LFT or proof of Covid. All concerts cinema theatres etc are full. We’d had usual stuff over the summer in large gatherings.

There’s 6 people in hospital no one in ICU currently 400 know Covid cases.

Cases are steady.

I’ve had it recently and only know because I did the required LFT - otherwise I would’ve been to work - large number of people -

So if you ask me the vaccinated are more likely to spread it now because it la more likely to be mild to no symptoms.

It’s time to drop the isolation and let the unvaccinated take their chance, because this will never be over unless there’s natural infection or vaccinated.

Worried? Stay home or take precautions.

@Lokdok

Unfortunately the unvaccinated are too thick to understand the impact of their selfish decision making. That’s not a snap judgement, it’s a fact. They aren’t making data-driven decisions based on science, they’re not thinking of anyone else but themselves and they’re not even protecting their own health - deliberately. There’s no point arguing with stupid. I’m very glad it will be mandated so it affects their income, it’s the only way the idiots might listen.

It is a snap judgement and it isn't fact. And that statement says far more about you than it does anyone else.

In all honesty I don't care. Sounds awful but it's personal choice. Vaccines will never be made mandatory in Britain, the health minister has confirmed this. Mind your own business instead of minding everyone else's.

@Lokdok

Unfortunately the unvaccinated are too thick to understand the impact of their selfish decision making. That’s not a snap judgement, it’s a fact. They aren’t making data-driven decisions based on science, they’re not thinking of anyone else but themselves and they’re not even protecting their own health - deliberately. There’s no point arguing with stupid. I’m very glad it will be mandated so it affects their income, it’s the only way the idiots might listen.

I know it won't make a difference but people like you should be utterly ashamed of themselves. The language used, "the unvaccinated", it's abhorrent. What have we become.

how is it exactly your unvaccinated colleagues' fault (who are most probably in the minority in any workplace) if they work in close contact with infected (most probably vaccinated) people????? If anyone, blame the UK government and your own inability to comprehend the real issue here!!