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Unvaccinated I'm really starting to have an issue with

151 replies

antipa · 16/11/2021 21:31

I don't care if you don't get the vaccine. I'd rather people I love and care about did as I genuinely believe it protects people - but if you don't I think it's everyone's right to refuse it if they choose.

What I'm really, really struggling with is unvaccinated not understanding there's a consequence to it.

So, at my place of work unvaccinated will go with reduced payment and people are complaining about it. It's driving me nuts - how do unvaccinated expect to isolate due to being in contact with someone who tests positive and not have a consequence? Why should a workplace shoulder the cost of an unvaccinated persons poor decision making?

How do unvaccinated think Covid will ever end if no one gets the vaccine?

What if none of us got the vaccine, what do unvaccinated think would happen, or do you not care?

AIBU to think fair enough if you refuse the vaccine, but you should accept there is a consequence to your choice so that we all get a decent healthcare system? (Hopefully)

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AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 22:03

I'm pretty sure the op means if the unvaccinated person has to isolate due to not having the vaccine they get sick pay not full pay. Or their pay is reduced whilst they vaccinate as it is their choice not to have a vaccine. If they were vaccinated they wouldn't need to isolate. Is this for people who can't have the vaccine as well op?

Southernbellenot · 16/11/2021 22:03

Aye good one OP

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 22:04

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

I'm pretty sure the op means if the unvaccinated person has to isolate due to not having the vaccine they get sick pay not full pay. Or their pay is reduced whilst they vaccinate as it is their choice not to have a vaccine. If they were vaccinated they wouldn't need to isolate. Is this for people who can't have the vaccine as well op?
Whilst they isolate not vaccinate
Hecates · 16/11/2021 22:05

I am guessing that they may have been paying more than ssp previously for isolations but that this has reduced down to ssp. Or It could also be for some people that they have isolated so many times they have exhausted any contractual sickpay. I don't disagree with this policy, tbh.

GreenClock · 16/11/2021 22:06

Two rates of pay dependent on vacc status? I am pro vaccine and have had two, but that’s very poor behaviour from your employer.

CoastalWave · 16/11/2021 22:07

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antipa · 16/11/2021 22:08

I mean if you come into contact with someone with Covid or live with a family member with Covid - you should isolate for ten days as per government guidelines.

When your job cannot be done at home/or cannot be down effectively at home then there shouldn't be paid IMO if you are fit and well and otherwise would have been able to work.

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Theunamedcat · 16/11/2021 22:09

At a relatives place of work if you chose not to vaccinate you don't get paid if you isolate vaccinated staff and exempt people do

MauraandLaura · 16/11/2021 22:10

Unless you are the business owner OP - you need to mind your own business.

dementedpixie · 16/11/2021 22:10

@shouldistop

So, at my place of work unvaccinated will go with reduced payment

What does this mean?

I imagine they get SSP instead of full pay if isolating
YesNoWhoCares · 16/11/2021 22:11

It's a bit hard to tell what OPs rambling on about, sick pay hasn't been mentioned and there is a lot of irrelevant blah about the people OP loves

Original poster
antipa · 16/11/2021 22:12

@YesNoWhoCares

It's a bit hard to tell what OPs rambling on about, sick pay hasn't been mentioned and there is a lot of irrelevant blah about the people OP loves
I'm not talking about sick pay! If you're sick, you get sick pay.

I'm talking about isolation when someone in your household has Covid or when you come into contact with someone with Covid

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Kikkomam · 16/11/2021 22:12

Ssp if self isolating because of no vaccine and in contact with Covid I expect.

AColdDuncanGoodhew · 16/11/2021 22:14

I've had my vaccines + booster but I absolutely disagree with people being essentially forced into having a vaccine.

No vaccine, can't get into concerts, pubs, events, can't work in certain fields, now there's talk of reduced pay?

I don't agree with it. If someone doesn't want a vaccine its their choice, clearly I support having them as I've had all of mines but that was my choice.

Calmdown14 · 16/11/2021 22:15

There have been threads on here with people who are sick of covering for isolating colleagues. One had something like a month off in the last three.
The longer isolation period is a problem and there's no fair way round it
If they get full pay it winds up their vaccinated colleagues picking up all the extra work, and if they get SSP then there are complaints they are not encouraged to isolate.

The best solution is for covid to go round the unvaccinated rapidly but no one wants that to happen in winter.

So, yes OP, I agree with you that there are consequences and anyone who doesn't see this is deluded.

dementedpixie · 16/11/2021 22:16

If they keep having to isolate due to close contact then why shouldn't the employer only pay SSP?

MauraandLaura · 16/11/2021 22:17

Ah right.... so people need to have a vaccine they dont want because its pissing their co workers off..... righto!

LitCrit · 16/11/2021 22:17

@Happyinheels

Covid is not going to go away because of the vaccine. Covid is here and we have to learn to live with it.
Yes. Part of learning to live with it is accepting that vaccines decrease risk.
MercyBooth · 16/11/2021 22:19

Are you aware that some people are having accessibility issues with the vaccine OP? Instead of moaning you could make yourself aware of the facts

MercyBooth · 16/11/2021 22:21

The damage to trust in public health is going to last a lot fucking longer than Covid does.

Kikkomam · 16/11/2021 22:22

@dementedpixie

If they keep having to isolate due to close contact then why shouldn't the employer only pay SSP?
We only pay ssp now. I think it's pretty common.
Suggestions2021 · 16/11/2021 22:28

Isn't the point that you only have to isolate if not vaccinated?

Colin56 · 16/11/2021 22:31

@SencosRshit

Covid spreads amongst the vaccinated. Families,all vaccinated, are passing it onto one another.

If the world was 100% vaccinated COVID would still be virulent.

Completely false. Majority of people in hospital are the dolts that decided not to get vaxxed.
gamerchick · 16/11/2021 22:32

@CoastalWave

So you're vaccinated? You're arguing that you won't transmit Covid but your unvaccinated colleagues will?

The vaccine that doesn't actually work? That vaccine?

Seriously. Fuck off with your attitude. My body and my decisions as to what to put INTO my body are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

By the way. As of right now, unless you've now had your THIRD booster jab, you're also classed as unvaccinated. so good luck with that one going forward.

Me and husband just spent a chunk of time with a kid with covid and we didn't catch it.

All the stuff thats spouted on here, I'm pretty surprised.

If your workplace wants to look dimly on your choice to not get a vaccine for something that's affected us all for nearly 2 years, then you must suck up the consequences of that. It's 1+1.

I don't actually give a toss if you get it or not. I won't care if you're paid having to stay home because of that choice though.

gamerchick · 16/11/2021 22:33

*not paid rather