Unvaccinated I'm really starting to have an issue with

[antipa]

I don't care if you don't get the vaccine. I'd rather people I love and care about did as I genuinely believe it protects people - but if you don't I think it's everyone's right to refuse it if they choose.

What I'm really, really struggling with is unvaccinated not understanding there's a consequence to it.

So, at my place of work unvaccinated will go with reduced payment and people are complaining about it. It's driving me nuts - how do unvaccinated expect to isolate due to being in contact with someone who tests positive and not have a consequence? Why should a workplace shoulder the cost of an unvaccinated persons poor decision making?

How do unvaccinated think Covid will ever end if no one gets the vaccine?

What if none of us got the vaccine, what do unvaccinated think would happen, or do you not care?

AIBU to think fair enough if you refuse the vaccine, but you should accept there is a consequence to your choice so that we all get a decent healthcare system? (Hopefully)

@sunnymoo

What you have said about italy revising their deaths from covid is a total lie . Why would you do that ?

I am so glad, as a child in the 50s that the attitude to the Covid vaccine from 'anti-vaxxers' or the 'you can't make me' brigade or the 'I won't be made to put something in my body' gang was not around in the time of polio, diphtheria, TB etc.

People were queuing up to take them because they wanted to be safe and they wanted those diseases to go away. Why is there such a difference now?

@antipa

I mean if you come into contact with someone with Covid or live with a family member with Covid - you should isolate for ten days as per government guidelines.

When your job cannot be done at home/or cannot be down effectively at home then there shouldn't be paid IMO if you are fit and well and otherwise would have been able to work.

What if you smoke and get cancer? Can you have paid sick leave then? What about illness related to pregnancy?

@Incognito22333

I think we need something like 80 per cent of the entire population with a relatively up to date vaccine especially in the winter. However, obviously a healthy 21 year old not having the vaccine is not as bad for the health service as an obese 70 year old man with a pre existing lung condition not having it. I think we should just pay everyone/incentivise everyone to have the vaccine every 6 months - still going to be better than further massive drain on health service/lockdowns. Use carrot not stick!

That would be bribery/coercion & illegal. However things only seem to be illegal when it's the public. Rules don't seem to apply to government

@antipa

Do unvaccinated people think Covid deaths were a lie? How do you think deaths have now reduced, if the vaccine isn't effective?

Do you think doctors are lying that the majority of patients are unvaccinated - or do you think you'll just be one of the 'lucky ones' and you don't need it (until if course you're on a ventilator, then I'm sure you'll expect care)

Honestly, it's just beyond me the entitlement and expectations of the unvaccinated, not those who medically cannot take it - those that choose to not take it.

But also want life to resume as normal with all liberties and freedoms untouched.

What makes you so special?

I do actually think some of the figures were a lie yes.

From my own line of work I saw cause of death as ‘covid’ when it was spectacularly untrue. I saw a coroner refuse to open an investigation into it.

3 residents had ‘covid’ as cause of death when only one had ever contracted it, and her last PCR test was negative. The numbers were definitely manipulated.

A year ago we were ‘heroes’ and people came out to clap us as we tried to care for people through the worst of it. We were exhausted. We worked double shifts to cope, and we’re now facing being even more short staffed. Now those that don’t want the vaccinations are villains and deserve to be treated as a subspecies.

People are fickle.

[quote Unsure33]@sunnymoo

What you have said about italy revising their deaths from covid is a total lie . Why would you do that ?[/quote]
Italian newspaper Il Tempo reported that the Institute of Health reduced its official death tool from 130,000 to 3783

@sunnymoo

fullfact.org/online/italy-death-toll/

Behave.

@antipa

I mean if you come into contact with someone with Covid or live with a family member with Covid - you should isolate for ten days as per government guidelines.

When your job cannot be done at home/or cannot be down effectively at home then there shouldn't be paid IMO if you are fit and well and otherwise would have been able to work.

All that does is mean people won't isolate. They will just stop telling employers that someone in the house has covid or they have been in contact with someone who has it and come to work. People will stop testing if they think it impacts on others in the house being able to work.

Is that preferable? I wouldn't have thought so.

@Nanny0gg

I am so glad, as a child in the 50s that the attitude to the Covid vaccine from 'anti-vaxxers' or the 'you can't make me' brigade or the 'I won't be made to put something in my body' gang was not around in the time of polio, diphtheria, TB etc.

People were queuing up to take them because they wanted to be safe and they wanted those diseases to go away. Why is there such a difference now?

Because it's a 'vacinne' for a virus which mutates and is therefore pointless for all except the very vulnerable. It's the same reason I won't have the flu vacinne ( although me and my children have had all the other vacinnes). Btw I'm the only one in my office who has not caught covid this year. I regularly test for antibodies which are still going strong and so I have natural immunity. There's no money in encouraging people to strengthen their natural immune system - why is that?! 20% of all NHS funds are going on covid at the moment. That and years of underfunding are the reason the NHS is on its knees.

My god .. if this is the world we are living in I want to get off!!

You do know covid isnt ending.. vaccinated or not??

Educate yourself before you make harsh judgments!!!

I have had both jabs (not eligible for a booster) but I am aware that it doesn't necessarily stop me from contracting covid, however I don't think people should be punished for their personal choice. I don't think covid will ever fully go away and I just think it's unfair that people are penalised. I can understand your point but freedom of choice should be respected and not discriminated against by an employer or anyone for that fact.

@sunnymoo

"There's a funeral director speaking out about all of this, he's been on the front lines, he's seen exactly what's been happening. Change your search engines to duckduckgo and search for john o'looney - very eye opening."

I might have listened to your previous points, though I might have disagreed with them.

But Mr O'Looney sounds as loony as his name. Didn't bother with duckduckgo, but there is plenty to be found about him and his crazy theories on Google.

@MauraandLaura

Ah right.... so people need to have a vaccine they dont want because its pissing their co workers off..... righto!

I'd be pissed off if I was covering for someone who was sitting on their arse at home for 10 days on full pay. Their work would be bottom of the pile!

@sunnymoo

Your posts are blatant falsehoods and all it takes is 5 minutes checking your facts which you are obviously too lazy to do . It is an insult to all of us who have lost loved ones to covid . Let’s hope you never have to organise a double funeral like I did . Just look at excess for each country ( very easily accessible) and tell me except for covid what would have caused them ? Oh yes that will be aliens coming down and wiping us out .

I feel sorry for all health workers battling through this with people like you who can not even be bothered to do basic research .

You make my blood boil tbh.

A friend has just lost his best friend at 30 to covid ( nothing else) guess what he was not vaccinated. But that’s just another statistic isn’t it.

@Unsure33

I just wanted to say , and I know this is rare but today a friend of a Freire who was 30 and an anti Vaxer died

And a 50 year old who only had one vaccine has been rushed to hospital.

Also I know personally of a family who have had many extreme long term affects after contracting covid .

Is it really worth it ?

Please just have the vaccine .

No, I'm pregnant and there is ZERO studies that have been done to show it is safe.

One thing is for sure. Bullying and name calling have not convince them to have the vaccine.

@antipa

I mean if you come into contact with someone with Covid or live with a family member with Covid - you should isolate for ten days as per government guidelines.

When your job cannot be done at home/or cannot be down effectively at home then there shouldn't be paid IMO if you are fit and well and otherwise would have been able to work.

Great way to get unvaccinated people to stop testing altogether.

@ExceptionalAssurance I didn't make the rules, the government did

What if none of us got the vaccine, what do unvaccinated think would happen, or do you not care?

We'd be in lockdown still.

It's the vaccinated that are subsidising the freedoms the unvaccinated are still enjoying with everything open.

[quote antipa]@ExceptionalAssurance I didn't make the rules, the government did [/quote]
You made the second paragraph.

To the person who said the vaccine isn’t working, that is utter, utter bollocks.

During the first two waves of Covid my intensive care doctor husband had to take double or more the departments capacity of patients with Covid. They took over operating theatres, there was huge knock on effects with people that needed admitting not being admitted, operations being cancelled, you know the rest.

Covid is pretty high at the moment, there are two (unvaccinated) Covid patients in. They are mainly getting unvaccinated patients into ITU. My husband thinks it’s a really sad waste of life, these patients are getting younger and it’s a huge loss to their families. All regret their vaccine choices but once you’ve got it it’s too late.

Choices have consequences sadly, for both individuals, their families and everyone around them.

No, I'm pregnant and there is ZERO studies that have been done to show it is safe.

This is entirely untrue @BridgetGetTheGin

Doesn't mean you should feel you have to get vaccinated, and I appreciate it is a really difficult decision, but there is a solid amount of evidence demonstrating pregnant women & their babies have better outcomes when vaccinated.

Pregnant women are encouraged to get vaccinated. It's another thing you can give to your unborn baby, the antibody to protect them when they are born too.
There are many many pregnant women who had vaccines. There are many pregnant unvaccinated women who had covid and had worst outcomes. It's no brainer.

The problem is, that vaccines can be a victim of their own success. Eg polio. Virtually eradicated because of vaccination. But then along come people (twerps) who think, "Oh, there's no polio, therefore I don't need to vaccinate my children against it." And then if enough people are of this mindset, up polio bubbles again.

The covid vaccines may not be 100%, but just looking at basic stats is enough to convince that they have a remarkable effect on serious illness. But that of course encourages the anti-vaxxers (or vaccine hesitant) to believe it's the virus itself which is now less serious.

If we were still back in early 2020 and looking at the scenes in Wuhan and Northern Italy, I think far more people would be falling over themselves to get a vaccine.

I take it you’re in the US. If you support this notion of taking salary away from your colleagues based on their health and medical information you’re doing what all Americans do in my experience which is applying the I’m Alright Jack attitude. Go nuts. They’ll come for you soon too, I can’t believe what some of us have become.