Lockdown for the unvaccinated - or a full lockdown for everybody?

[PrincessNutNuts]

Which would you choose?

Wasn't there also a poll that had a majority vote about bringing in a night time curfew? Nothing to do with Covid... just all to do with stopping people going out after a certain time.

Yeah there was one where something like 15% wanted nightclubs banned forever.

@RobinPenguins

Wasn't there also a poll that had a majority vote about bringing in a night time curfew? Nothing to do with Covid... just all to do with stopping people going out after a certain time.

Yeah there was one where something like 15% wanted nightclubs banned forever.

I wonder if it's the same 16% who strongly oppose?

"Anyone who was unable to have the full vaccine course would be exempt I should imagine.

And the full vaccine course is likely to be defined as including a booster."

You imagine.....

So fairly pointless then.

Interesting you say about the booster as it's not readily available to all. So currently only the over 50's (if offered, it's not exactly been rolled out to all yet) could go out and about.... and given you can't get a booster until 24 weeks after your second vaccine if they define "fully vaccinated" as including booster then not many will be able to go to cinemas etc.

And it doesn't yet show on my vaccination status.

At best, people would check the vaccine passports for a week or two then carry on as they currently are.

Hospitality and leisure industries have suffered a huge financial loss. Many cannot cope with much more.

@RobinPenguins

Wasn't there also a poll that had a majority vote about bringing in a night time curfew? Nothing to do with Covid... just all to do with stopping people going out after a certain time.

Yeah there was one where something like 15% wanted nightclubs banned forever.

Yep, hence why they are all bullshit anyway. They could do a poll on what colour the sky is, but it wont change what is going on in the real world.

I can't imagine how complicated this would all be with people having boosters at different times and having to show vaccine passports for non essential shops and other places, then there are the people without smartphones that would probably have to order a paper copy regularly. Who would police the unvaccinated going about their daily essential business, how would they know who was not vaccinated at the park, would they be able to sit down if unvaccinated, how would anyone know.

Austria have passed a law instituting an unvaccinated lockdown Princess, but that's a very different thing to being able to enforce it.

I don't know enough about them and the way their society is organised to ascertain whether it's actually going to work there, but I'll tell you why it won't here. We don't have the police numbers or intelligence to be able to stop millions of people from private socialising. That didn't happen during lockdown, when it was at least visibly illegal, so it certainly isn't going to when the only way to identify whether a person is breaking the law is to have up to date access to their medical records.

There are unvaccinated people living with vaccinated people, and you'd never be able to prove who was the one being visited. For mass events, it's already been explained that the security to ensure people are genuinely using proof of their own vaccination not someone else's isn't going to exist in a lot of places. It would be too impractical and expensive, so you'll get lip service instead. And as you don't need ID to get vaccinated, and that won't be introduced because it would serve as a deterrent, if there were actually any possibility of an unvaccinated lockdown with any real teeth, people would start paying others to go and get vaccinated in their name.

This sort of thing is just not viable in a society where there are no ID cards and not enough police to enforce it. And that's really very obvious if you stop to think at all about the practicalities.

@tigger1001

"Anyone who was unable to have the full vaccine course would be exempt I should imagine.

And the full vaccine course is likely to be defined as including a booster."

You imagine.....

So fairly pointless then.

Interesting you say about the booster as it's not readily available to all. So currently only the over 50's (if offered, it's not exactly been rolled out to all yet) could go out and about.... and given you can't get a booster until 24 weeks after your second vaccine if they define "fully vaccinated" as including booster then not many will be able to go to cinemas etc.

And it doesn't yet show on my vaccination status.

At best, people would check the vaccine passports for a week or two then carry on as they currently are.

Hospitality and leisure industries have suffered a huge financial loss. Many cannot cope with much more.

Well I'm not in charge @tigger1001

But I would imagine "fully vaccinated" would mean "as fully vaccinated as you can be."

So if you have eligible for your booster for a while but haven't taken it up you're nice green vaccine pass would go red.

If you're not eligible for a booster or a a second jab or a first jab then they couldn't count it as if you were, could they?

@ExceptionalAssurance

Austria have passed a law instituting an unvaccinated lockdown Princess, but that's a very different thing to being able to enforce it.

I don't know enough about them and the way their society is organised to ascertain whether it's actually going to work there, but I'll tell you why it won't here. We don't have the police numbers or intelligence to be able to stop millions of people from private socialising. That didn't happen during lockdown, when it was at least visibly illegal, so it certainly isn't going to when the only way to identify whether a person is breaking the law is to have up to date access to their medical records.

There are unvaccinated people living with vaccinated people, and you'd never be able to prove who was the one being visited. For mass events, it's already been explained that the security to ensure people are genuinely using proof of their own vaccination not someone else's isn't going to exist in a lot of places. It would be too impractical and expensive, so you'll get lip service instead. And as you don't need ID to get vaccinated, and that won't be introduced because it would serve as a deterrent, if there were actually any possibility of an unvaccinated lockdown with any real teeth, people would start paying others to go and get vaccinated in their name.

This sort of thing is just not viable in a society where there are no ID cards and not enough police to enforce it. And that's really very obvious if you stop to think at all about the practicalities.

It's a vaccine pass system.

Lots of places have them and seem to manage.

Havent RTFT because it's honestly bullshit.

I wouldnt support either option.

Mostly I just dont support government mandated segregation of our society based on our bodies, and what chemicals we would agree to put in them.

We have segregated societies before, for the religious choices, for their skin colour, for their place of birth. History tells us this never ends well.

Oh, and fully vaccinated and awaiting my booster.

Just FYI

YouGov asked this one today:

If it's a vaccine pass system, it's not a lockdown, unless someone is at the end of the road checking passes

Given that people don't think masks are necessary even on crowded public transport, I can't see anything like this happening.

@Nidan2Sandan

Havent RTFT because it's honestly bullshit.

I wouldnt support either option.

Mostly I just dont support government mandated segregation of our society based on our bodies, and what chemicals we would agree to put in them.

We have segregated societies before, for the religious choices, for their skin colour, for their place of birth. History tells us this never ends well.

So if you had the choice of a group being into some kind of restrictions and everyone else going back to normal you'd always be against it?

@Edjut

If it's a vaccine pass system, it's not a lockdown, unless someone is at the end of the road checking passes

It's not called a lockdown anywhere except the British press and the British Prime Minister's press briefings I don't think.

Most of Europe calls it a G2 vaccine pass.

I'm not bothering with my booster until the new year , it's due mid December, fuck me, I shall be unvaccinated for a month or two, do I care, no.

@RobinPenguins

People on YouGov are in favour of anything that applies to other people and not themselves. E.g. there was a poll recently suggesting 80+% of respondents were in favour of bringing back mandatory masking on public transport. But 80+% aren’t currently wearing masks on public transport. If they’re so in favour of them being mandatory again why don’t they start by wearing one themselves?

Yes to this

Why don’t we see that high percentage wearing masks if they say they want them in these polls?

Why is the thread title called a lockdown if it isn't a lockdown

So if you had the choice of a group being into some kind of restrictions and everyone else going back to normal you'd always be against it?

When we're talking about covid, yes I'm against it. IMO it's time for restrictions to end, full stop. Permanently. I will acquiesce on the 10 day isolation for positive cases, but that's it.

No lockdowns, no restrictions of liberty for citizens who are not criminals just because they chose not to vaccinate!!

@SilverGlitterBaubles

Given that people don't think masks are necessary even on crowded public transport, I can't see anything like this happening.

People wore masks when they were told to, though didn't they?

They don't wear them now because the government changed the rules on "Freedom Day".

What do you mean by 'seem to manage' Princess? Because that covers a lot of things that don't include actually happening and properly enforced.

@Edjut

Why is the thread title called a lockdown if it isn't a lockdown

Because it was prompted by discussions about Austria in the British press and that's what they called it.

@Edjut

I'm not bothering with my booster until the new year , it's due mid December, fuck me, I shall be unvaccinated for a month or two, do I care, no.

You can probably book it now.

If they were to bring this kind of covid pass system in it would cause W stampede for boosters and you might be glad you did.

@ExceptionalAssurance

What do you mean by 'seem to manage' Princess? Because that covers a lot of things that don't include actually happening and properly enforced.

I mean they don't go "oh no. Nobody is complying" after a few days and abandon the idea.

France has had their vaccine pass system for months.

"Well I'm not in charge @tigger1001

But I would imagine "fully vaccinated" would mean "as fully vaccinated as you can be."

So if you have eligible for your booster for a while but haven't taken it up you're nice green vaccine pass would go red.

If you're not eligible for a booster or a a second jab or a first jab then they couldn't count it as if you were, could they"

And all I can say is thank Christ for that!!

One big thing you missed. Covid status, certainly where I am, isnt updating for boosters currently. So if someone has had 3 jags, it shows 2....

I didn't see if you posted a response to this yesterday but would love to know your views on the fact other places in the uk still have face mask mandates and covid passports yet the case rate in England per 100k is lower. Why? If these measures are so effective why is it England case rate is currently lower? Not checked it today to be fair but that was the state of play yesterday.